I want to see if there is a major correlation here
I want to see if there is a major correlation here
Vo2 max is 70
1855 for 5k
Vo2Max is 68-70
My PB is 16:07 but should be ready to drop low 15s. Haven’t raced 5k in a year and a half
17:32, vo2 max of 65 taken later after three years of casual running
61. 17:15
I have a ridiculously high VO2 max (65) for a female. However my 5k time is only 18:41. My 3k time is a little better at 10:37. It sucks because if I had average running economy, I would be running sub 16 minutes, which would be close to elite level as a female. My running form is terriable likely due to weakness in my posterior chain. I have been told that my posterior chain is weak is evident by hips coming out of alignment, anterior pelvic tilt and frequent hamstring strains. I have been doing more strength training in hope that fixing my muscle imbalances would improve my running form.
In addition, I feel that metabolic inefficiency is an additional issue preventing me from running fast as I would like. It takes me more O2 to run at a particular speed then it does for most people. I am like a large SUV vs a small hybrid car, as in having a bigger fuel tank(VO2 max) but with a crappy mpg(running economy). Part of the reason I suspect for this is that I generate an abnormal amount of heat when I exercise. I will run outside in shorts and a sports bra in 40F weather and not feel cold at all.
Interesting although it may be a bit unrelated, I have been gaining heat acclimatization by running frequently in temperatures in the 80s and 90s. I still slow down pretty badly in those temperatures. However, last week I got a day of nice weather 60F and pouring rain(yeah I know I am crazy) and ran a workout much faster at the same RPE than I did previously a few mouths ago. I ran a 7 mile tempo averaging at 6:27 min/mile vs running a 6 mile tempo a few mouths ago at 6:41 min/mile. This workout suggests that heat acclimatization is working and that I may be in a lot better shape than my times suggest. Only problem is I can not get a race with cool enough weather to find out :(
The 3 major factors accounting for interindividual variance in aerobic endurance performance are:
- VO2max
- lactate threshold (LT) and
- work economy
decent runner wrote:
I want to see if there is a major correlation here
Refer to the other thread and Malmo's list. There is NO direct correlation. You could have runners with the same Vo2Max yet have 2-3 minute difference in their 5k Times.
Alan
Also, only Vo2Max tests done in a lab with gas exchange count. I think many are just reporting what their watch tells them.
Alan
Garmin says 56 can do around 19;30 at the moment.
Do all of you have lab measured values or are you just listening to your garmin?
Also… I’m not sure I would ever be “ready to drop” a time a minute under my PR just based on workouts. Would be interested to hear what could inspire that level of confidence.
Lab measured VO2 of 78.
5k pr of 14:48
Runningart2004 wrote:
Also, only Vo2Max tests done in a lab with gas exchange count. I think many are just reporting what their watch tells them.
Alan
+1. There is simply no point in posting numbers from your watch.
No significant correlation really. The most important factors are treshold and efficiency. A runner can have a vo2max of 90 but reach his/her treshold pace at 50% of vo2max.
Runningart2004 wrote:
decent runner wrote:
I want to see if there is a major correlation here
Refer to the other thread and Malmo's list. There is NO direct correlation. You could have runners with the same Vo2Max yet have 2-3 minute difference in their 5k Times.
Alan
“There is a strong association between Running Economy and distance running performance, with RE being a better predictor of performance than maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max) in elite runners who have a similar VO2max)”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15233599/“The poorest predictors were: VO2max (r = -.55 to -.81) and VO2 at 16 km/h (r = .40 to .45).” Noakes et al.
RUNNING PREDICTS RUNNING BETTER THAN PHYSIOLOGY
Noakes, T. D., Myburgh, K. H., & Schall, R. (1990). Peak treadmill running velocity during VO2max test predicts running performance. Journal of Sports Sciences, 8, 35-45.
Marathon runners (N = 20) and ultra-marathoners (N = 23) were tested for VO2max, peak treadmill running velocity, velocity at lactate turnpoint, and VO2 at 16 km/h using an incremental (1 min) treadmill test.
Results. Race times at 10, 21.1, and 42.2 km of the specialist marathoners were faster than those of the ultra-marathoners, however, only the 10 km time differed significantly. Lactate turnpoint occurred at 77.4% of VO2max and at 74.7% of peak treadmill velocity. The average VO2 at 16 km/h was 51.2 ml/kg/min which represented 78.5% of VO2max.
For all distances, performance time in other races was the best predictor of performance (r = .95 to .98).
The best laboratory predictors were: (a) peak treadmill running velocity (r = -.89 to -.94); (b) running velocity at lactate turnpoint (r = -.91 to -.93); and (c) fractional use of VO2max at 16 km/h (r = .86 to .90). The predictive value of the lactate turnpoint measure increased as the distance increased.
The poorest predictors were: VO2max (r = -.55 to -.81) and VO2 at 16 km/h (r = .40 to .45).
Conclusion. There may be no unique physiological characteristics that distinguish elite long-distance (10 km or longer) runners as is often promoted. Other factors determine success in high level sports among exclusive groups of superior athletes.
Implication. Running performance is the best predictor of running capability in elite long-distance runners. Physiological laboratory testing gives less information than does actual performance. Even the fastest speed of running on the treadmill is a better predictor than any physiological measure. This suggests that for at least endurance-dominated sports, actual performances in a variety of performance-specific situations will give more useful information than that which can be obtained in any physiology laboratory test.
Science of Running: More on VO2 Max
http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2009/12/fallacy-of-vo2max-and-vo2max.htmlmy lifetime 5K PR is 16:13 and i've never had a lab measure of VO2 max. but my garmin tells me that i'm a good boy and that it is proud of me.
jazzytherunner wrote:
I have a ridiculously high VO2 max (65) for a female. However my 5k time is only 18:41. My 3k time is a little better at 10:37. It sucks because if I had average running economy, I would be running sub 16 minutes, which would be close to elite level as a female. My running form is terriable likely due to weakness in my posterior chain. I have been told that my posterior chain is weak is evident by hips coming out of alignment, anterior pelvic tilt and frequent hamstring strains. I have been doing more strength training in hope that fixing my muscle imbalances would improve my running form.
In addition, I feel that metabolic inefficiency is an additional issue preventing me from running fast as I would like. It takes me more O2 to run at a particular speed then it does for most people. I am like a large SUV vs a small hybrid car, as in having a bigger fuel tank(VO2 max) but with a crappy mpg(running economy). Part of the reason I suspect for this is that I generate an abnormal amount of heat when I exercise. I will run outside in shorts and a sports bra in 40F weather and not feel cold at all.
Interesting although it may be a bit unrelated, I have been gaining heat acclimatization by running frequently in temperatures in the 80s and 90s. I still slow down pretty badly in those temperatures. However, last week I got a day of nice weather 60F and pouring rain(yeah I know I am crazy) and ran a workout much faster at the same RPE than I did previously a few mouths ago. I ran a 7 mile tempo averaging at 6:27 min/mile vs running a 6 mile tempo a few mouths ago at 6:41 min/mile. This workout suggests that heat acclimatization is working and that I may be in a lot better shape than my times suggest. Only problem is I can not get a race with cool enough weather to find out :(
#1 Jesus get out of your own head. I think what's holding you back is Olympic levels of overthinking.
#2 VO2 alone doesn't indicate you should run 16 minutes.
decent runner wrote:
Vo2 max is 70
1855 for 5k
Not likely. Are you getting this from a watch?
13:59 5k
Watch says my Vo2max is 70, I've never done a lab test. Seems like the error is usually +- 3.
72.4 ml/kg/min lab measured. 5k: 15:40