65 VO2 max -- not bad, good or great?

pacoza wrote:

Obviously, it's not 80 or higher so I'm not near the elites, but is that good value for trail running with steep uphills? And how important is VO2 max for ultra trail races?

Elite distance runners are closer to 70. Tour de France winners are around 80.

What is your basic speed? What would be your true VO2max at 12% bodyfat. How well do you run in different weather conditions? How good is your endurance?

Not bad - you have one of three of the most desirable things for a male runner (the "3 sixes"): 60+ VO2 max, six-pack abs & 6 inches.

Get the other two and you'll be studsville for a male runner! 👍💪

depends... wrote:

pacoza wrote:

Obviously, it's not 80 or higher so I'm not near the elites, but is that good value for trail running with steep uphills? And how important is VO2 max for ultra trail races?

Elite distance runners are closer to 70. Tour de France winners are around 80.

What is your basic speed? What would be your true VO2max at 12% bodyfat. How well do you run in different weather conditions? How good is your endurance?

And then there is Kilian with 92. But that's rather an exception than the rule. He is just in my mind whenever I stumble on a VO2 topic.

About my basic speed, well I can't say with certainty. My 5k PR is 16:05 (switched the road for the trails in the last 4 months). I'm stronger in the colder weather, that's for sure. I have few trail races behind me with solid results (3rd in my first trail race).

pacoza wrote:

depends... wrote:

Elite distance runners are closer to 70. Tour de France winners are around 80.

What is your basic speed? What would be your true VO2max at 12% bodyfat. How well do you run in different weather conditions? How good is your endurance?

And then there is Kilian with 92. But that's rather an exception than the rule. He is just in my mind whenever I stumble on a VO2 topic.

About my basic speed, well I can't say with certainty. My 5k PR is 16:05 (switched the road for the trails in the last 4 months). I'm stronger in the colder weather, that's for sure. I have few trail races behind me with solid results (3rd in my first trail race).

Kilian does not have a 92 VO2max. Don't believe the hype. It's quite common to see made up numbers. It's another form of journalistic disinformation.

It's similar to 3.6 roentgens, which is not great, but not terrible

depends... wrote:

pacoza wrote:

And then there is Kilian with 92. But that's rather an exception than the rule. He is just in my mind whenever I stumble on a VO2 topic.

About my basic speed, well I can't say with certainty. My 5k PR is 16:05 (switched the road for the trails in the last 4 months). I'm stronger in the colder weather, that's for sure. I have few trail races behind me with solid results (3rd in my first trail race).

Kilian does not have a 92 VO2max. Don't believe the hype. It's quite common to see made up numbers. It's another form of journalistic disinformation.

OK, but probably it's not lower than 80-85. Btw, what is the best way to measure VO2 max? (except that running on the treadmill with the tube in my mouth and all the wiring)

I was lab tested 65 (a long time ago). I wouldn't waste time with other methods that don't involve gas collection.

pacoza wrote:

depends... wrote:

Kilian does not have a 92 VO2max. Don't believe the hype. It's quite common to see made up numbers. It's another form of journalistic disinformation.

OK, but probably it's not lower than 80-85. Btw, what is the best way to measure VO2 max? (except that running on the treadmill with the tube in my mouth and all the wiring)

It's probably much lower. Tadej Pogačar probably has around 80 as well as good Anaerobic power and this makes him physically suited to winning the Tour de France, but not physically suited to being a World class distance runner.

There is only one way to measure VO2max, get it done by experts.

But it's not going to make you a better runner. Training properly is.

pacoza wrote:

Obviously, it's not 80 or higher so I'm not near the elites, but is that good value for trail running with steep uphills? And how important is VO2 max for ultra trail races?

92.5 Greg LeMond, professional cyclist

92.0 Matt Carpenter, Pikes Peak marathon course record holder

91.0 Harri Kirvesniem, Finnish cross country skier

90.0 Bjørn Dæhlie, Norwegian cross country skier

88.0 Miguel Indurain, professional cyclist

87.4 Marius Bakken, Norwegian 5k record holder

85.0 Dave Bedford, 10k world record

85.0 John Ngugi World XC Champion

84.4 Steve Prefontaine,US runner

84.3 "Physiologist in training," 15:12/30:55 runner

84.0 Lance Armstrong, professional cyclist

82.7 Gary Tuttle, US runner

82.0 Kip Keino, Olympic 1500 champion

81.1 Craig Virgin, twice World cross country champ

81.0 Jim Ryun, US miler WR holder

80.1 Steve Scott, US miler 3:47

79.4 "Runningart2004," 15:43 5k runner

79.1 Paul Geis 76 Olympian 5000m

78.6 Joan Benoit, 1984 Olympic Marathon Champion

78.5 Bill Rodgers, 2:09:27 marathoner

77.8 Doug Brown 8:19 steeplechase

77.4 Don Kardong, 2:11:15 marathoner

77.0 Sebastian Coe. WR mile, 1500

76.6 John Landy, WR miler

76.0 Alberto Salazar, 2:08:51 marathoner

75.5 Mike Manley steeplechase

74.3 Amby Burfoot, US marathoner

74.4 Johnny Halberstadt, 2:11:44 marathoner

74.2 Kenny Moore, US marathoner 2:11:36

73.5 Grete Waitz, Norwegian Marathon runner

73.3 Bruce Fordyce ultramarathoner

73.0 Jeff Galloway, US snake oil salesman

73.0 Buddy Edelen, 2:14:28 world record marathoner (1963)

72.8 Jarmila Krotochvilova,Czech Olympian 400M/800M winner

72.3 Peter Snell, Olympic champion

72.0 Zithulele Sinqe, 2:08:05 marathoner

71.3 Frank Shorter, US Olympic Marathon winner

71.2 Ingrid Kristiansen, ex-Marathon World Record Holder

71.0 Paula Ivan, Russian Olympic 1500M Record Holder

70.3 Willie Mtolo, 2:08:15 marathoner

69.7 Derek Clayton, Australian ex-Marathon World Record holder 2:08:35

67.2 Rosa Mota, Marathon runner

Paula Ivan was Romanian.

pacoza wrote:

Obviously, it's not 80 or higher so I'm not near the elites, but is that good value for trail running with steep uphills? And how important is VO2 max for ultra trail races?

All these blanket statements keep me warm in the winter.

Nothing you said has any importance.

How fast are you over X Distance. What place have you placed over X Race.

I was 5'6" 140lb Vo2max 79.4

15:43

32:08

1:09:40

2:32:45

There is no such thing as "elite Vo2max".

Alan

Guuuuuuud dumit! Beat me to it old man!

Alan

Jeff Galloway Snake Oil Salesman! Hahahahaha

Is this the first time in 15+ years that I've noticed this?

Alan

The Scot wrote:

Paula Ivan was Romanian.

Indeed, that would be a very funny name for a Russian woman. There's no feminine version of the name Paul in Russian and unaltered first names as last names would just sound extremely weird for a Russian speaker.

I am slow as f.

314 marathon pr and my vo2 max is 69.5

So Im Not sure how helpful v02 max is as an indicator of speed.

Runningart2004 wrote:

pacoza wrote:

Obviously, it's not 80 or higher so I'm not near the elites, but is that good value for trail running with steep uphills? And how important is VO2 max for ultra trail races?

All these blanket statements keep me warm in the winter.

Nothing you said has any importance.

How fast are you over X Distance. What place have you placed over X Race.

I was 5'6" 140lb Vo2max 79.4

15:43

32:08

1:09:40

2:32:45

There is no such thing as "elite Vo2max".

Alan

Currently, I have 78 kg (171 lb). I'm way heavier than you.

16:05

33:48

1:16

Never ran fast road marathon.