Anybody know when the 2024 OTQ Marathon Standards will be released, and when the window will officially open? With history in mind, the window generally opens in September; seems like with all the majors happening in succession this fall, it would be pretty important information.
Not today and not tomorrow, either.
It'll be after this year's USATF convention, at the earliest.
For the 2020 Trials they were announced July 11, 2017. So - possibly sooner than you think.
Based on how well the Atlanta trials went, I would expect the standards to stay the same.
another casual observer2 wrote:
For the 2020 Trials they were announced July 11, 2017. So - possibly sooner than you think.
Based on how well the Atlanta trials went, I would expect the standards to stay the same.
Did you notice the difference in field size for men vs women ?
another casual observer2 wrote:
For the 2020 Trials they were announced July 11, 2017. So - possibly sooner than you think.
Based on how well the Atlanta trials went, I would expect the standards to stay the same.
They will certainly change. The 2:19 and 2:45 was only used because that's what the old olympic standards were and the new 2020 standards hadn't come out yet. Once the new ones came out they had to stick what they already said were the trials standards.
With nearly twice as many women as men (because the women's standard was easy) they will certainly not use the same old standards. I imagine at minimum the women's will be faster, good chance both will be faster with an 'A' standard of the new olympic standards (2:11:30 and 2:29) and then a 'B' standard, and the men's 'B' will be at the slowest 2:19 and the women's will probably be faster than 2:45. The purpose of A and B standards will be to give more support to the A athletes and then the B athletes have to figure things out for themselves a little more. I imagine Atlanta Track Club lost a ton of money having to give hotel rooms and other support to over 400 women. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars, money that could be added to prize money to help the runners who are actually fast.
My guess is under 2:18 2:42. There will be whinging.
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
I’m trying to think of a national organization that has more opposing agendas then usatf and I can’t think of one.
2036 trial standards - sub 210 for men, sub 305 for women. Calling it now.
Kvothe wrote:
2036 trial standards - sub 210 for men, sub 305 for women. Calling it now.
Do you have the standard for trans athletes?
OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
Your rumors are false.
coachy wrote:
OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
I’m trying to think of a national organization that has more opposing agendas then usatf and I can’t think of one.
Congress?
I've heard in the rumor mill it's gonna be 2:15 and 2:35ish. Hopefully the women's standard will finally be moderately difficult so their race is no longer an absolute joke.
The day before CIM I hope.
Can't wait to see a bunch over 2.28 runners trying to run 2.18 downhill in their boing boing shoes.
The standards definitely need to be set higher. I would propose something around 2:16 for the men and 2:34 for the women.
OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
I don't think this is true but if it turns out to be I would not be suprised. If there is one thing you can count on USATF to do, it is act illogically.
I think USATF actually got the men's standard right last time but then the super shoes screwed the whole thing up. I think 2:17 or 18 would be appropriate. When they had 2:18 for 2016 only about 70 guys hit the full standard before they bumped it to 2:19. 2:18 now is like 2:20 5 years ago.
2:45 was highly questionable for women even before the super shoes. I would think something around 2:38 would be more appropriate and you could convince me of faster. On the mens side making the time fast but achievable did play a role in getting a lot of sub elites to step up their game. On the women's side the standard is so weak that you don't even need to be a D1 level talent to get the standard.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
OTQ in 2022 or bust wrote:
I've heard through the rumor mill that the Mens standard will become harder (2:17 or 2:18), and the womens will get easier. Which is as stupid as it sounds but the standards are set by two different governing bodies with different goals. The goal of the Women council is to increase sub-elite participation throughout the nation. The goal of the mens council is to tighten the field, make it a more competitive race. Yes, that sounds idiotic, because it is.
I don't think this is true but if it turns out to be I would not be suprised. If there is one thing you can count on USATF to do, it is act illogically.
I think USATF actually got the men's standard right last time but then the super shoes screwed the whole thing up. I think 2:17 or 18 would be appropriate. When they had 2:18 for 2016 only about 70 guys hit the full standard before they bumped it to 2:19. 2:18 now is like 2:20 5 years ago.
2:45 was highly questionable for women even before the super shoes. I would think something around 2:38 would be more appropriate and you could convince me of faster. On the mens side making the time fast but achievable did play a role in getting a lot of sub elites to step up their game. On the women's side the standard is so weak that you don't even need to be a D1 level talent to get the standard.
Even with the supershoes, the men's field only increased from 211 to 260 between 2016 and 2020.
However, the women's field doubled from 246 to 511.
My guess is that the organizers would like to find a qualifying time that would result in fields of about 200 men and 200 women. However, the women usually spread out earlier because of the bigger time gaps between elite and subelite women, so a men's field with the same number of entrants as women would be much more congested. One thing I would like to see avoided is the top men's finishers having to navigate around large numbers of subelite females near the end of the race.
I kind of liked that some many women could qualify in 2020... thought it was intriguing. 500+ was too many though.
Really wish they could set it by field size... top 500 men and women by time or something like that.
I know that only a small subset would actually make the Olympics but having the trials be a spectacle in and of itself is kind of cool.
Agree with the A standard and B standard comment with only the A standard competitors getting guaranteed financial support.
Ackley wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
I don't think this is true but if it turns out to be I would not be suprised. If there is one thing you can count on USATF to do, it is act illogically.
I think USATF actually got the men's standard right last time but then the super shoes screwed the whole thing up. I think 2:17 or 18 would be appropriate. When they had 2:18 for 2016 only about 70 guys hit the full standard before they bumped it to 2:19. 2:18 now is like 2:20 5 years ago.
2:45 was highly questionable for women even before the super shoes. I would think something around 2:38 would be more appropriate and you could convince me of faster. On the mens side making the time fast but achievable did play a role in getting a lot of sub elites to step up their game. On the women's side the standard is so weak that you don't even need to be a D1 level talent to get the standard.
Even with the supershoes, the men's field only increased from 211 to 260 between 2016 and 2020.
However, the women's field doubled from 246 to 511.
My guess is that the organizers would like to find a qualifying time that would result in fields of about 200 men and 200 women. However, the women usually spread out earlier because of the bigger time gaps between elite and subelite women, so a men's field with the same number of entrants as women would be much more congested. One thing I would like to see avoided is the top men's finishers having to navigate around large numbers of subelite females near the end of the race.
In 2016 the majority of men qualified by the half standard which was incredibly soft. In 2020 something close to 3 times as many guys qualified through the full standard than in 2016. The line was already crowded in 2016, although race organizers did not help by making two turns very quickly into the race. I'm not for a cap but I would like to see the standard set with the objective of 150-200 qualifying.