Synthetic (like made in a lab through very specific organic synthesis) anabolic steroids don't just magically make it into some supplement.
Also jfc no one is reading this dude get a hobby.
Synthetic (like made in a lab through very specific organic synthesis) anabolic steroids don't just magically make it into some supplement.
Also jfc no one is reading this dude get a hobby.
Moms buy their Nikes because of that nice white girl in the Olympics
jecht wrote:
on the team.
Does anyone know why she doesn't get along with Kara Goucher?
I hadn't heard of them not getting along...is this well known?
who do you mean? which ex-gf??
Heard about the British guy failing the test through a reliable source. Obviously I can't say on here. But I also hear they aren't afraid of TUE's either. Is it classed as cheating if they conveniently need them after joining BTC?
commonknowledge wrote:
Heard about the British guy failing the test through a reliable source. Obviously I can't say on here. But I also hear they aren't afraid of TUE's either. Is it classed as cheating if they conveniently need them after joining BTC?
There’s pretty good documentation on different “medical conditions” that some BTC runners have, real or not. What are the odds that so many world class runners all have medical conditions? Well, not great.
https://runningmagazine.ca/health-nutrition/bowerman-runner-opens-up-about-dealing-with-red-s/“Win at all Costs” also discusses TUE abuse under Schumacher. When Kara moved from NOP to BTC, the existing athletes told her to lower her dosage of asthma medication she wasn’t taking because they believed USADA was onto them.
I can't believe people think that this theory is probable. I have a theory of my own. Centro was training with Salazar. Salazar's group comes under extreme scrutiny, Centro moves to Bowerman to avoid controversy and separate himself from dopers.
Centro and Houlihan were dating/together/whatever, Centro shares some Salazar secrets with Houlihan. The rest of Bowerman knows nothing. Fisher is Clean, Cranny and Karissa are clean. Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
No way Bowerman had a formal doping program, I don't buy it for Lomong, Fisher, Cranny, Karissa, Gwen. I don't believe they would cheat, especially Cranny no chance.
Track Fan 12:51 wrote:
I can't believe people think that this theory is probable. I have a theory of my own. Centro was training with Salazar. Salazar's group comes under extreme scrutiny, Centro moves to Bowerman to avoid controversy and separate himself from dopers.
Centro and Houlihan were dating/together/whatever, Centro shares some Salazar secrets with Houlihan. The rest of Bowerman knows nothing. Fisher is Clean, Cranny and Karissa are clean. Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
No way Bowerman had a formal doping program, I don't buy it for Lomong, Fisher, Cranny, Karissa, Gwen. I don't believe they would cheat, especially Cranny no chance.
I agree 100%!!! This was my line of thinking as soon as the news broke and while I listened to the press conference.
JBaller33 wrote:
There’s pretty good documentation on different “medical conditions” that some BTC runners have, real or not. What are the odds that so many world class runners all have medical conditions? Well, not great.
I'm not sure what an article on eating disorders is good evidence that BTC runners are over-claiming to have "medical conditions."
Track Fan 12:51 wrote:
. Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
So you think the tiny amounts of fluid that get exchanged are enough to get her levels that high? From a dude that is microdoing? The burrito might be more realistic.
And neither is as realistic as a BTC doping program that screwed up.
Track Fan 12:51 wrote: Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
So what you're saying is that Centro gave Shelby the burrito?
Track Fan 12:51 wrote:
I can't believe people think that this theory is probable. I have a theory of my own. Centro was training with Salazar. Salazar's group comes under extreme scrutiny, Centro moves to Bowerman to avoid controversy and separate himself from dopers.
Centro and Houlihan were dating/together/whatever, Centro shares some Salazar secrets with Houlihan. The rest of Bowerman knows nothing. Fisher is Clean, Cranny and Karissa are clean. Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
No way Bowerman had a formal doping program, I don't buy it for Lomong, Fisher, Cranny, Karissa, Gwen. I don't believe they would cheat, especially Cranny no chance.
wut?
salazar =nike. best buddies Phil Knight.
salazar = nop. clue, the n stands for nike
btc = sponsored by nike, named after co-founder of nike, bill bowerman
btc = portland oregon
nike = beaverton (burritoville) portland oregon
the nike sports perforance centre used by btc used to be called the lance armstrong building
how clear do these links need to be?
rotten to the core
this is why sh is not finished. it has the potential to unravel nike.
CN has an entire subforum dedicated to doping (The Clinic). but okay.
Track Fan 12:51 wrote:
I can't believe people think that this theory is probable. I have a theory of my own. Centro was training with Salazar. Salazar's group comes under extreme scrutiny, Centro moves to Bowerman to avoid controversy and separate himself from dopers.
Centro and Houlihan were dating/together/whatever, Centro shares some Salazar secrets with Houlihan. The rest of Bowerman knows nothing. Fisher is Clean, Cranny and Karissa are clean. Sketchier theory, Centro doping or microdoping Houlihan absorbed his steroid via "contact" Can't use that explanation without incriminating Centro and expanding the controversy, hence the burrito story.
No way Bowerman had a formal doping program, I don't buy it for Lomong, Fisher, Cranny, Karissa, Gwen. I don't believe they would cheat, especially Cranny no chance.
I think they would throw Centro under the bus before turning to pork burrito by way of carne asada. Can believe it's not all of Bowerman. In a podcast interview from last August Shelby said before she got the AR Jerry had told her she could get down to 4:30s maybe at best when she thought she could run in the 4:20s.
And he seems to really be into saving people from racing. Gwen Jorgensen just posted a Trials video about the 5,000 finals and he doesn't even want her to run the 10,000. Also he didn't want her to get fixated on making top 3 in the 5,000 to only have a bad race. I'm a total amateur so must not get it. Isn't the point to make it to top 3? Who cares if you die or come in 5th? And it's not like he wants her to save herself for the 10k. He doesn't want her to run it with the heat.
Centro is not cheating. By winning in Rio, he established himself as one of the best 1500m runners in U.S. history and anything accomplished after that is gravy. Getting busted now would result in 'Gold Medal winner" being replaced with "drug cheat".
People are smarter than you think.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Nike didn't become a word class company by being run by idiots. There is no way it would be involved in allowing its athletes to use PEDs. T&F is only a small part of its business and there is no motivation to risk its reputation or for some of its executives, their jobs.
The legitimate question is whether Shelby acted alone or whether her coach and/or teammates were involved. Nike was not involved.
Why can't a multi billion dollar company like Nike sew the outer edges on the majority of their shoes so that the bottom doesn't come off?
Oh wait. I think I know the answer to this question.
Made to break.
John_James_413 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Nike didn't become a word class company by being run by idiots. There is no way it would be involved in allowing its athletes to use PEDs. T&F is only a small part of its business and there is no motivation to risk its reputation or for some of its executives, their jobs.
The legitimate question is whether Shelby acted alone or whether her coach and/or teammates were involved. Nike was not involved.
Why can't a multi billion dollar company like Nike sew the outer edges on the majority of their shoes so that the bottom doesn't come off?
Oh wait. I think I know the answer to this question.
Made to break.
Nike just did over $11 billion in sales for the past 3 months. On track to do over $45 billion in sales for the year. Track athlete sponsorship is an irrelevant sport in their portfolio. Would they protect Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, or LeBron James for their brand? You bet. But Shelby Houlihan and the BTC....get a freakin' clue.
I bet you think every girl in your high school is following your 56th place finish at the bumblefart 5k and thinks you're cute.