What a great run by Abby Cooper

And another thing! You can't just go casting aspersions on the rest of the field and claiming some also-ran as the true savior! 15:07 is often beaten by superior athletes, no drugs required. Abbey is talented, but internationally, utterly irrelevant. Not a star. And it's called punching up. She's gonna be fine. It was a good run from someone who has had, let's face it, every advantage.

I agree that it was a gutsy run and a lot of fun to watch. I don’t want to minimize her performance, but isn’t a 15:07 pedestrian for the top 5000 runners, even if it’s a solo run? I hope she makes the team but it seems unlikely she will be a factor in the 5000 if she does.

UltraDude wrote:

That was her only option if she wanted to give herself any chance of going to the Olympics since she didn't have the qualifying time coming in. If she waited until the final to go for the qualifying time she would be the rabbit and everyone else would just sit and kick on her and she would be toast.

Never said it wasn't...but that race was a thing of beauty to watch. Teared up a bit too.

Jogger262 wrote:

I agree that it was a gutsy run and a lot of fun to watch. I don’t want to minimize her performance, but isn’t a 15:07 pedestrian for the top 5000 runners, even if it’s a solo run? I hope she makes the team but it seems unlikely she will be a factor in the 5000 if she does.

It's an Olympic standard, nothing pedestrian about that and she did it with a solo effort

as someone who just got an ACL injury that was inspiring to watch. I WILL BE BACK

Its a heat. Why would she run even faster if she doesn't have to?

Trackmeister wrote:

Its a heat. Why would she run even faster if she doesn't have to?

If you're running the OT final, would you like to have to worry about making the team and trying to hit the standard, or would you just like to be able to focus on top three during the final and forget about everything else?

makes sense to me wrote:

Trackmeister wrote:

Its a heat. Why would she run even faster if she doesn't have to?

If you're running the OT final, would you like to have to worry about making the team and trying to hit the standard, or would you just like to be able to focus on top three during the final and forget about everything else?

Ha, I think I misunderstood what you were saying and thought you were wondering why she ran as fast as she did. Never mind.

runnerexpert wrote:

Jogger262 wrote:

I agree that it was a gutsy run and a lot of fun to watch. I don’t want to minimize her performance, but isn’t a 15:07 pedestrian for the top 5000 runners, even if it’s a solo run? I hope she makes the team but it seems unlikely she will be a factor in the 5000 if she does.

It's an Olympic standard, nothing pedestrian about that and she did it with a solo effort

+1 And no need to blow the standard away to impress jogger262, just to tuck under the standard in the heats for obvious reasons.

My understanding is that only those with the Olympic standard can actually go to the games. The final now has three runners with the Olympic standard (it was two before Cooper’s run). Unless others run faster than the standard in the final, those three will go no matter where they place - is that correct?

dbc wrote:

My understanding is that only those with the Olympic standard can actually go to the games. The final now has three runners with the Olympic standard (it was two before Cooper’s run). Unless others run faster than the standard in the final, those three will go no matter where they place - is that correct?

That's about the short of it. Only thing no positive of is whether an athlete has a window to chase qualifier after trials. I think it has been true in the past, but maybe only for WC and not Olympics?

In the other heat, Gwen just looked flat. I suspect she is also in the 10, and maybe she has a slightly better chance there.

There are eight runners with the standard in the final:

Norris

Schneider

Cooper

Buchalski

Schweizer

Cranny

Fraser

Jorgensen

donkey hotay wrote:

All positive? No way this thread is legit. PR job. Have you been here?

Let me show you how it's done.

So, what's up with women changing their names? Is anyone else irked by this? I learned your name once already. I'm not learning a new one (unless trans). You're married. Who cares. Youre not a new person. And if you are, come up with a new name for you and your spouse to share and both change your names. I'm irked by names in general. Why only one name anyway? Why not multiple? We should go back to the old ways where you earn your name by your deeds.

This comment is hilarious. I was also looking for the negativity. That being said, if you really wanted to sound like a LRC jerk, you would have made it transphobic.

predicting a Bowerman sweep, Karissa, Vanessa Elise.

Or the weather would be horrible, hot or windy or raining or all three.

stufffffff wrote:

predicting a Bowerman sweep, Karissa, Vanessa Elise.

Karissa and Elise yes. Vanessa looked like she was really struggling to the finish. Karissa, Elise and Rachel Schneider is a much better bet.

You watched the race, so you know they were basically at 15:30 pace through 2000m. Only 2 other women have the standard as noted by KG, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Jogger262 wrote:

I agree that it was a gutsy run and a lot of fun to watch. I don’t want to minimize her performance, but isn’t a 15:07 pedestrian for the top 5000 runners, even if it’s a solo run? I hope she makes the team but it seems unlikely she will be a factor in the 5000 if she does.

Thanks for the context/info. From WPost: The gambit had started on a whim. Forty-five minutes before the start of the race, Cooper’s coach, Chris Lane, approached her. It would be 97 degrees on the track for Monday night’s final, he told Cooper. Normally, a 5,000 meters final with the fastest women in America would necessitate a 15:10 finish. But in that heat, the race may be too slow. Even if she finished in the top three, she may not have the requisite time. “You don’t have the standard,” Lane told Cooper said. “There isn’t enough time to chase it. If it’s slow, I want you to consider going for it.” The message frazzled Cooper. She thought it through and prayed as she approached the start line. “Not an ideal amount of time to think about it,” Cooper said. “But I’m really glad he mentioned it.”

Yessiree Bob wrote:

Also a really smart strategy. Conditions were pretty good today but according to the forecast it’s going to be over 90 degrees, so the final is apt to be slow

Granted it was almost 30 years ago, but I was and still am 30 years later, surprised that my wife changed her last name to my last name. I certainly didn’t tell her that she had to change her last name. It seems to be such a hassle to do all the name change legal documentation, drivers license, military records, uniforms , mortgage, social security records, post office, magazine subscriptions. To legally change it, it is just a hot mess. Than you have to tell everyone your new last name.it is just a pain! Women should keep their last name and introduce their guy as their new husband or what ever! Changing the last name seems to be out dated practice and should be stop.