Kara Goucher MISGENDERS non-binary Nikki Hiltz. Uses HER pro-noun and not THEY/THEM

Gender and sex are the same thing. Females can be gay but not male.

beuner wrote:

A little bit ironic that you guys are calling out the angry internet mob

Ha! So true. This place isn't exactly filled with the best and the brightest.

bladerunner wrote:

Dwightarm wrote:

This.

I don’t get this forum sometimes. Seems like it’s the same handful of posters who just like to instigate drama. Low lives.

No. We think it's horse crap that a biological woman who decides she is sometimes a man has to be labeled as such. When I was growing up, we called that make believe. But now, thanks to this non scientific self identification according to one's "feelings", spineless people like Kara Goucher feel the need to apologize for not calling a woman a man/shemale/crazy person.

And this effects you how?

Is she going to be the only one? You don't think we or our children will be exposed to a woman who demands this?

And...? Get over yourself.

While I'm sure you're not rich you do sound like an insecure male afraid of losing your place in the world. It's going to be okay. Black people can vote. Non-binary people can be referred to as they. You and I will still get up and have coffee in the morning. The world isn't coming to an end.

Slow Your Roll wrote:

bladerunner wrote:

No. We think it's horse crap that a biological woman who decides she is sometimes a man has to be labeled as such. When I was growing up, we called that make believe. But now, thanks to this non scientific self identification according to one's "feelings", spineless people like Kara Goucher feel the need to apologize for not calling a woman a man/shemale/crazy person.

And this effects you how?

Some of us don't like catering to someone's make-believe as adults.

Rich dude wrote:

Gender and sex are the same thing. Females can be gay but not male.

It wasn't that long ago people denied the existence of gay people. People refused to acknowledge gay partnerships because they didn't want to be "forced" to valid it, they said it was lifestyle choice, they said they were corrupting children, attacking people in restrooms, abusing their bodies, mentally ill. You name it, everything they said about trans people today was said about gays 40 years ago.

Kara did an amazing job!

khcglhc wrote:

Good thing she is not in Canada. That’s an offence under the criminal code in Canada.

The punishment is a little bit more than just being cancelled

We have Freedom of Speech.

I am not following. Everyone is aware that gays have existed forever. It is a sexual choice that people make. Nothing has changed. Many people think it is immoral. Transgenderism is also a choice that people make to claim that they are of a different gender. That doesn't make it right. Don't force me to address you as they just because you are unhappy with your sexuality.

master mechanic wrote:

Are we supposed to refer to Nikki as "they"? I'm a little behind the times, sorry.

This stuff is getting out of hand, really ridiculous. However Nikki and anybody else can call themselves whatever they want, which is fine, but you are either a Man or a Woman, plain and simple. She was in a woman's race so it is fine to call her a woman.

It appears that the term "woman" has become redundant in sports, because it now includes those individuals who are non-binary, gender fluid, intersex, DSD-male, transwomen, and any other gender description (or non-description for those who opt out), except for those who still oddly choose to call themselves "men". We have arrived at the brave new world of "sport without categories" (for "women" at least). In this new world of inclusivity everyone's a winner - except perhaps for those old-fashioned individuals who think being female is what makes you a woman. I daresay we won't be seeing so many of them on the podium - or even participating, since they wont have much chance of succeeding against the influx of somewhat masculinised newcomers to their locker-room.

Do you really believe that’s why people are pushing back on this PC stuff - because, e.g., they have a problem with black people voting? Because of anxiety about loss of status??

How do you know the OP is white?

Plenty of POCs oppose this woke nonsense.

Methinks you’re just repeating talking points.

Slow Your Roll wrote:

And...? Get over yourself.

While I'm sure you're not rich you do sound like an insecure male afraid of losing your place in the world. It's going to be okay. Black people can vote. Non-binary people can be referred to as they. You and I will still get up and have coffee in the morning. The world isn't coming to an end.

Do you really think this is why folks oppose this p.c. nonsense, or are you just repeating talking points? I don’t think people feel like their status is being threatened by this new language tyranny, but lots of people sense that it’s a kind of wolf in sheep’s clothing.

By the way, plenty of women and POC don’t support all these new woke norms.

Rich dude wrote:

I am not following. Everyone is aware that gays have existed forever. It is a sexual choice that people make. Nothing has changed. Many people think it is immoral. Transgenderism is also a choice that people make to claim that they are of a different gender. That doesn't make it right. Don't force me to address you as they just because you are unhappy with your sexuality.

No, gay relationships were not seen. Once gay rights became a movement in the 1970s it was attacked by conservatives for being the latest youth trend.

Die-hard homophobes would refuse to address someone in a gay relationship as partners/bf/gf because they didn't want to be "forced" to go along with their relationships. Only man-woman relationships were valid and nothing else.

The Bible is very clear that God made TWO genders: a man, and a rib. If you claim to be anything other than one of these, you are defying God.

Armstronglivs wrote:

It appears that the term "woman" has become redundant in sports, because it now includes those individuals who are non-binary, gender fluid, intersex, DSD-male, transwomen, and any other gender description (or non-description for those who opt out), except for those who still oddly choose to call themselves "men". We have arrived at the brave new world of "sport without categories" (for "women" at least). In this new world of inclusivity everyone's a winner - except perhaps for those old-fashioned individuals who think being female is what makes you a woman. I daresay we won't be seeing so many of them on the podium - or even participating, since they wont have much chance of succeeding against the influx of somewhat masculinised newcomers to their locker-room.

Why is 'woman' becoming redundant something to object to? Do you think it's okay to refer to 'woman managers' or 'woman doctors'? Woman performers are often refering to themselves as actors and not actresses - is this objectionable?

You don't seem to understand that laws and the media don't dictate morality or beliefs. Nothing has changed. Most people don't believe gay relationships are moral nor do they believe transgenderism is moral. Don't believe those silly survey numbers. You act naive to believe that people were unaware of gays. Most countries have laws prohibiting the behavior so they obviously are aware of it.

Guess you can thank yourselves for not rejecting this pronoun debacle harshly enough in its infancy.

It's such a devious domination technique. You saw a woman and referred to said person as 'her', but this person has a mental disorder and the correct reference is "they", and now you're the bad guy for 1) not knowing this beforehand and 2) not playing along with the theatrics.

Quick rule of thumb: people demanding grammatically incorrect pronouns are attention seekers and should be avoided if possible.