BOXING - Immoral?

How ironic that a guy named Jesus killed somebody in a boxing match.

ytrewq wrote:

How ironic that a guy named Jesus killed somebody in a boxing match.

good catch. i missed that in the article.

You should note that the Vatican's objection is to PRO boxing. There is a big differnece between pro and amature boxing. In pro boxing people go to the fight to see somebody get their brains beaten out (no head gear and 12-16 round fights).

In amature boxing people go to fights to see who is a better puncher. Amature boxers almost never get knocked out because they wear head gear and only fight a few rounds.

ytrewq wrote:

You should note that the Vatican's objection is to PRO boxing. There is a big differnece between pro and amature boxing. In pro boxing people go to the fight to see somebody get their brains beaten out (no head gear and 12-16 round fights).

In amature boxing people go to fights to see who is a better puncher. Amature boxers almost never get knocked out because they wear head gear and only fight a few rounds.

When was the last time their was a sanctioned professional boxing match longer than 12 rounds?

The only 12 round fights are championship fights and maybe some big money fights, other than that, most average pro fights would be 8 or 10 rounds. The 10/12 rounders are what you usually see on TV, but most pro fights are probably in the 4-8 round range.

Boxing, or actually sports in general, are said by sociologists to provide people with an outlet for violence and rage. Sport is controled war with rules. It is better to have masses watch fighting to quench their natural thirst than to not have anything and just fight each other like in the old ages.

The Vatican should not be allowed to comment on anything other then what they are doing to get rid of their pedophilic priests.

This is what Civilta Cattolica (Catholic Civilization: should have been saying referencing quotes from the orginal post.

“From a moral point of view the judgment of pedophelia can only be gravely and absolutely negative,” the journal said in an article called “The Immorality of Pedophelia.”

The journal of the Italian Jesuit order said pedophelia goes against “natural and divine” principles because it aims to inflict wounds that sometimes can lead to death.

“In reality, pedophiles are manipulated by powerful economic groups, which are often ruthless and cruel, and for whom the pedophile is not a man but only a machine to make money(collection),” the journal said.

Articles in Civilta Cattolica are approved in advance by the Vatican’s Secretariat of State, the most influential department in the Holy See.

'Who killed Davey Moore...?

why and what's the reason for..."

I would venture a guess that blows are exchanged quite often in the Vatican.

"not I" says the referee...

The vatican also came out against Harry Potter. They are good at coming out against things.

You're an idiot who has sadly replaced his brain with Richard McBrien's anus.

In short, don't speak about Catholic topics anymore because you embarass yourself and anyone who shares your genes with spouting such ridiculous nonsense. The Vatican has never remotely condoned such crimes. You could not begin to make a case even if you did your best to exaggerate.

Your comments are way out of line and I highly suggest you return to whatever high school class you must undoubtedly be in and learn something more basic and easy for an idiot like you to understand.

fight or flight

Okay Holly Roller,

Can you at least get your brainwashed head out of your ass long enough to agree that.

1) Priests have molested children.

2) Church officials were made aware of the allegations years ago and failed to respond to the allegations.

3) Church officials allowed priests to remain active in the church and have access to children after the allegations were proven to be true.

If you don't agree with these facts then you have no credibility and if you do agree then you have to admit that it amounts to condoning priest molestation of innocent children.

I'm sure your view of things are so twisted that you don't even believe that any children were ever molested. And also probably believe as one priest suggested that the children were seducing the priests.

How's that for fudge Mr Packer

Locknload wrote:

Okay Holly Roller,

Can you at least get your brainwashed head out of your ass long enough to agree that.

1) Priests have molested children.

2) Church officials were made aware of the allegations years ago and failed to respond to the allegations.

3) Church officials allowed priests to remain active in the church and have access to children after the allegations were proven to be true.

If you don't agree with these facts then you have no credibility and if you do agree then you have to admit that it amounts to condoning priest molestation of innocent children.

I'm sure your view of things are so twisted that you don't even believe that any children were ever molested. And also probably believe as one priest suggested that the children were seducing the priests.

How's that for fudge Mr Packer

Well personaly iam agnostic...but the fact that someone is immoral...doesnt mean there wrong..when they say boxing is immoral...

they might be wrong....but...i suppose this depends on one definition of morality....personaly...i think is a pretty dumb sport...but im training to run 26.2mi...so you know...i cant even give skateboarding crap anymore.

I am afraid it is you that is wrong, about a great many things.

Dead Wrong, if you have skeletons in your closet share them with the police. You don't have to take out your aggression on this thread.

FYI, don't defend something that you don't know all the specifics about. Are you aware that the number of complaints filed against priests as of last year was over 60,000. Do you realize that as time goes on more allegations and convictions emerge.

FYI, Any educated person knows that the Church practices zero tolerence regarding pedephelia. I was raised catholic (catholic schooling through 8th grade, altar boy 4th-12th). I am not the one that stated that the Church condones pedephelia. I am saying that the Church has a lot of problems within itself and that it's energy would be best spent on itself. If you knew how many rediculous issues the Church addresses you would see my point. I would like to see the Catholic Church prosper and rid itself of it's own sins. Pedephelia is not the only problem within the Church either. Don't defend an issue because your heart says you must, defend because you know what it is exactly that you are defending. Do a thurough research and you will be appaulled.

The real question here is, how many priests have molested boxers? ;-)

Locknload wrote:

Okay Holly Roller,

Can you at least get your brainwashed head out of your ass long enough to agree that.

1) Priests have molested children.

Ad hominem attacks aside--and that's likely to be a staple of your argument considering you don't have any other point to make--certainly, "priests" molested children, though I hesitate to refer to John Geoghan and co. as priests insofar as they had no intention of fulfilling priestly duties.

2) Church officials were made aware of the allegations years ago and failed to respond to the allegations.

There's more to it than that, slick.

Again, time to get your info from places other than CNN.

I'm sure your view of things are so twisted that you don't even believe that any children were ever molested.

And I'm sure you enjoy inventing things to such a degree that you trot out libel like the above and credit it to people who never said any such thing.

If you feel compelled to produce excresence like the above, consider keeping it to yourself rather than splattering it all over a RUNNING forum. You know little to nothing about the Catholic Church, the tenets of the faith, or anything relevant to the topic, so it's best if you don't discuss it because you make yourself appear to be an idiot. Those are the facts.

Oh, it was not I but YOU and Locknload who decided to stray from the topic--Is boxing immoral--and begin lashing out at the Catholic Church.

The delicious part of this saying is that it more appropriately applies to YOU not running your mouth about something with which you are CLEARLY unfamiliar.

Are you aware that this has nothing to do with boxing?

In some cretinous confusion you and many others of similar cognitive capacity find themselves unable to differentiate the Catholic faith, its followers, its religious, and the 98%+ priests faithful to their vocation from the stray few who have GROSSLY failed to uphold their vocation.

As for your numbers, are you also aware that people tend to be "opportunist" in these times and fling out claims for the sake of collecting the root of all evil--MONEY?

Now, if you read nothing else in my post, read the following:

If you find someone whitewashing these crimes, you have my sympathy. They are not to be excused in the slightest.

Do not misinterpret my post as such. The criminals who perpetrate such crimes against youth have my undying hatred and my sincerest wishes of vile punishments and loathsome suffering being inflicted on their persons.

With that said, what truly bothers me and others is the unsubtle HATRED directed at the Church and Catholics and faithful priests as though the minute percentage of pedophiles (and there is a SIGNIFICANT difference both in number and description between a pedophile and a priest having sex with a 15 or 16 year old, repeat SIGNIFICANT) who gained entry to the priesthood REPRESENT the Catholic faith somehow.

That is an odious piece of propoganda, a lie that belongs up there with some of the most slanderous whoppers I have ever seen.

Why, while innumerable cases of sexual abuse take place in Protestant religions, the medical profession, the education profession, or ANY other area where human beings are present, are such cases excused as "the fault of the individual" or "one errant case"? Why is a teacher having sex with a student not evidence that the teaching profession is a home to perverts and foul people?

But that is what has been done to the Catholic Church.

I've done extremely thorough research. I am not an apologist, per se, but I wrote long term papers on these subjects when I was in school.

I'm curious as to what you consider the "other sins" of the Church. I could be wrong, of course, but I suspect that you refer to the Church's teaching on controversial issues--abortion, euthanasia, contraception--as somehow indicative of the Church having "sinned" against the fragile opinions of anti-Catholic everywhere.

I do so enjoy--and this is not an accusation leveled at you, so don't take personal offense--watching homosexual people, Planned Parenthood, and any other such groups take potshots at the "oppressive, looming, dogmatic" Church and then forcing entry in St. Patrick's Cathedral, sticking tampons on the walls of the Holy Sanctuary, standing outside the doors after Sunday Mass and playacting sodomy and throwing condoms at parishioners and then passing all this off as "tolerance", "openness to ideas", and "acceptance of diversity."

If the double standard escapes you, then you might have some research to do. If this is something that interests people, there are other avenues (such as e-mail) to take this up, but I think Weldon should delete this thread entirely because it does not pertain to running in the slightest and I wonder why the original poster started it unless he specifically intended to start these types of arguments.

Brain dead and wrong,

You failed to answer questions 2 and 3. What's the matter afraid you might sin?

2) You can run from the issue like the coward you are all you want but the fact is, of course they knew and did nothing that's why they're paying out millions in settlements to the plaintiffs because they failed to act. Do you think their paying out money because they think they're innocent.

3) What happened to this one? Another non answer. Typical chicken s***.

As far as me not discussing it. You're the one who wanted to join in and attack everyone who was voicing their opinion. You opened the door. I don't mind you voicing your pathetic opinion.