The odds are much more in your favor of having a good race running the outdoor 400! Compared to the 800! She's died a bunch of times in the 800. And I've never seen her have a bad outdoor 400
Also doubling at the 400 and the 4 by 400 is much easier. Why does everyone keep asking about the 800 and assuming she should run the 800. Her time seemed about even and she has much more experience now in the 400 recently!
I totally agree, thought the same thing about her interview after the 49.8. She has a good chance to win medals in the 400 and relay. Perhaps in the 800 too, but she could take the safer bets this year and then set about dominating in the 800 in the future.
I don't think anyone is pushing her to the 800; she considers it "her" event.
1:57 is just the beginning. expect great things.
Most on let'srun cannot and never have raced sub-60 400m. Let'srun mentality is to encourage everyone to race the event that is the upper limit of one's ability.
I've seen at least five different comments asking why she's not running the 800. This after she set National records in both the 400 and the 4 by 400
The point is that the 400 Outdoors is a much more straightforward race where you have your own lane
Much more can go wrong in the 800. Also there's much more of a chance to have a bad 800 than a bad 400. So many more variables
Plus it's tougher to double back in the relay if you're running the 800.
Most on let'srun ... wrote:
Most on let'srun cannot and never have raced sub-60 400m. Let'srun mentality is to encourage everyone to race the event that is the upper limit of one's ability.
Yeah I agree! Also I think a lot of people just have heard her name with the 800 so assume she has to run that event
I don't get why she would want to change and step up to an event that she hasn't been training for when she keeps making progress in the 400. Or at least hasn't been competing in and I imagine her training is more geared towards 400
Big Juicy Steak wrote:
I don't think anyone is pushing her to the 800; she considers it "her" event.
1:57 is just the beginning. expect great things.
Yeah definitely at some point in the future. But nerves can get you much easier in the 800. I could definitely see a situation where nerves and delays and whatever cause for a really bad 800. While in the 400 it's almost a lock that she at least makes it to the Olympic finals
MidFootStriker wrote:
Big Juicy Steak wrote:
I don't think anyone is pushing her to the 800; she considers it "her" event.
1:57 is just the beginning. expect great things.
Yeah definitely at some point in the future. But nerves can get you much easier in the 800. I could definitely see a situation where nerves and delays and whatever cause for a really bad 800. While in the 400 it's almost a lock that she at least makes it to the Olympic finals
What matters most is what SHE wants most, and that is to run the 800 and 4x4 in Tokyo. She has said she feels more calm about the 800. Listen to her interviews and quit overthinking this. You have to respect the passion and preference of the athlete.
Big Juicy Steak wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
Yeah definitely at some point in the future. But nerves can get you much easier in the 800. I could definitely see a situation where nerves and delays and whatever cause for a really bad 800. While in the 400 it's almost a lock that she at least makes it to the Olympic finals
What matters most is what SHE wants most, and that is to run the 800 and 4x4 in Tokyo. She has said she feels more calm about the 800. Listen to her interviews and quit overthinking this. You have to respect the passion and preference of the athlete.
Of course she told you that. On let'ssprint, she most likely said 400m and 4 x 400m relay.
I think that she ran the 400 (and 4x400) to further establish credentials for the 4x400, her best hope for a Gold medal --- this year. She does not particularly like the open 400; look at her with the blocks, which she does not like and does not use well (and generally has not used, not really needed in her 400 races at this level and no blocks in the 800 or the 4x400).
She like the 800 best and that is what she wants to run. Her 1:57 opened with a 60 second first half; can she run 1:55 - my guess is yes but we will have to wait and see. I doubt it will be necessary for the Trials.
Big Juicy Steak wrote:
MidFootStriker wrote:
Yeah definitely at some point in the future. But nerves can get you much easier in the 800. I could definitely see a situation where nerves and delays and whatever cause for a really bad 800. While in the 400 it's almost a lock that she at least makes it to the Olympic finals
What matters most is what SHE wants most, and that is to run the 800 and 4x4 in Tokyo. She has said she feels more calm about the 800. Listen to her interviews and quit overthinking this. You have to respect the passion and preference of the athlete.
You're talkin about a 19 year old runner with zero International experience and zero professional experience. Isn't there a good chance she has no idea what the likely outcome will be. If she tries to do the 800 4 by 400 double there's a huge chance that she will overworked and have really bad results. This is a girl who's one year out of high school with zero experience of doing this much running. You don't think someone should try to talk some sense into her and maybe recommend that she stick with the 400 especially if she's looking to do the relay as well. Wasn't it like a year ago that she was beaten by a bunch of high school girls at the 800. Doing all those preliminaries and trials will not be easy, especially with traveling Halfway Around the World
if your equally good 400/800 run the 400 wrote:
The odds are much more in your favor of having a good race running the outdoor 400! Compared to the 800! She's died a bunch of times in the 800. And I've never seen her have a bad outdoor 400
Also doubling at the 400 and the 4 by 400 is much easier. Why does everyone keep asking about the 800 and assuming she should run the 800. Her time seemed about even and she has much more experience now in the 400 recently!
If you listened to her interview, you would know that the 400 is just "speed work" for her. She is an 800 runner and she's about to drop a 1:55 in the final. She said she's going to be smart about it so I suspect she will do as little as possible in the rounds.
MidFootStriker wrote:
Big Juicy Steak wrote:
What matters most is what SHE wants most, and that is to run the 800 and 4x4 in Tokyo. She has said she feels more calm about the 800. Listen to her interviews and quit overthinking this. You have to respect the passion and preference of the athlete.
You're talkin about a 19 year old runner with zero International experience and zero professional experience. Isn't there a good chance she has no idea what the likely outcome will be. If she tries to do the 800 4 by 400 double there's a huge chance that she will overworked and have really bad results. This is a girl who's one year out of high school with zero experience of doing this much running. You don't think someone should try to talk some sense into her and maybe recommend that she stick with the 400 especially if she's looking to do the relay as well. Wasn't it like a year ago that she was beaten by a bunch of high school girls at the 800. Doing all those preliminaries and trials will not be easy, especially with traveling Halfway Around the World
You clearly have never coached a talented athlete. The mind is the most important element, and her mind is right on this.
She does not strike me as someone to take the safer bet over what she really wants to do. She has a chance to win the 800, more so than the 400. Its a no brainer for someone like her. If you are even asking why she would choose the 800 over the 400 than you just do not understand the mind if a winner.
As others have noted, it seems increasingly likely that Mu will drop something big in the 800 this summer—even 1:54.xx wouldn’t be entirely shocking at this point—and when she does, the OP will understand why she’s running the 800. She won’t beat Shaunae Miller-Uibo at 400, but I can legitimately see her winning 800m 2021 Olympic gold.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
As others have noted, it seems increasingly likely that Mu will drop something big in the 800 this summer—even 1:54.xx wouldn’t be entirely shocking at this point—and when she does, the OP will understand why she’s running the 800. She won’t beat Shaunae Miller-Uibo at 400, but I can legitimately see her winning 800m 2021 Olympic gold.
FYI Miller-Uibo is not running the 400, only the 200.
Nonsense! wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
As others have noted, it seems increasingly likely that Mu will drop something big in the 800 this summer—even 1:54.xx wouldn’t be entirely shocking at this point—and when she does, the OP will understand why she’s running the 800. She won’t beat Shaunae Miller-Uibo at 400, but I can legitimately see her winning 800m 2021 Olympic gold.
FYI Miller-Uibo is not running the 400, only the 200.
Ah, thanks. Better to avoid Salwa Eid-Naser altogether I guess.
Vladimir Karpets wrote:
She does not strike me as someone to take the safer bet over what she really wants to do. She has a chance to win the 800, more so than the 400. Its a no brainer for someone like her. If you are even asking why she would choose the 800 over the 400 than you just do not understand the mind if a winner.
^this
Also, it doesn’t seem like people know Mu’shistory. She’s run internationally 4 times. That’s 4 USA teams. She’s won indoor before (600m, 2019) and flamed out indoor before (800m, 2020). Failure and success build experience, and she’s familiar with both sides. She placed 5th in the USA finals in 2019 with a 2:01; her rounds before that, 2:01 and 2:02 both automatic Qs… her PR before that meet… 2:01. Mu can handle rounds and she’ll be fine this year.
Mu needs to run a competitive 800.
then choose her event
400 or 800
coach is smart, we'll see.
She has the second fastest time in the world in the 800 and the fourth in the 400. She also ran the 800 earlier in the season and looks to be fitter at this point.