This is how much super spikes help in 1500m

The worl population increased by 10% over those 10 years. Much of the improvement is due to that.

Smarter than a non Ivy Grad wrote:

The worl population increased by 10% over those 10 years. Much of the improvement is due to that.

How much did McDonald's consumption grow? Smart guy.

Wait a minute.

Are you telling me that there isn’t a more exact way to figure this out than through stats, which have so many variables.

Any great sport physiologist in the world that can take the shoes in the lab and figure this out exactly , so we don’t have to hear all the diatribes from certain people about how it’s all in the spikes.

Let’s get it done scientifically, then we can make our own adjustments in any race and have a reference point.

Appreciate original poster’s math and stats.

But would love a final determination through a sports lab.

Educate me if/why maybe what I’m asking for is not possible.

Smarter than a non Ivy Grad wrote:

The worl population increased by 10% over those 10 years. Much of the improvement is due to that.

Well, the problem with this theory is that majority of these 38 runners this year comes from non-African countries, so the population growth is not too significant in this case.

As a matter of fact, there are less Africans in this years list than in the previous years.

A surge of British, Australian and American runners is noticeable.

nomassback wrote:

Let’s get it done scientifically, then we can make our own adjustments in any race and have a reference point.

I would love a scientific analysis very much too.

As a matter of fact I'm close to purchasing a pair of super spikes and testing the difference out on myself. Too bad that's not exactly a scientific approach either...

So you are comparing whole years to less than half a year? You don’t see a problem

faster than 14.10 wrote:

So you are comparing whole years to less than half a year? You don’t see a problem

Nope, only first half-years of each year.

nomassback wrote:

Wait a minute.

Are you telling me that there isn’t a more exact way to figure this out than through stats, which have so many variables.

Any great sport physiologist in the world that can take the shoes in the lab and figure this out exactly , so we don’t have to hear all the diatribes from certain people about how it’s all in the spikes.

Let’s get it done scientifically, then we can make our own adjustments in any race and have a reference point.

Appreciate original poster’s math and stats.

But would love a final determination through a sports lab.

Educate me if/why maybe what I’m asking for is not possible.

I made a thread about this about a month back. It would be so easy to test this. Run a time trial -preferably a mile as that is easy to recover from and there is less variance due to pacing, weather etc - first in old spikes, then in cheater spikes a day or two later and repeat. Report your times, as well as the weather that day and see if there is a statistical difference using T-Tests. Do this with enough people and you have a decently valid study, not perfect, but at least you'll have a general idea.

Its so simple: If you don't believe super spikes help people run faster you don't believe in science. Its literally MADE for that reason.

Do you believe in vaccines, masks and distancing? But not super spikes?

You cant have it both ways.

Smarter than a non Ivy Grad wrote:

The worl population increased by 10% over those 10 years. Much of the improvement is due to that.

The problem is the improvements in times has been led by an improvement in the performances of Western athletes. The populations of most Western countries are declining, or would be if it wasn't for immigration. Kenyan times haven't improved apart from Timmy. The population of Kenya has increased by around 25% in the last 10 years.

Coevett wrote:

The problem is the improvements in times has been led by an improvement in the performances of Western athletes. The populations of most Western countries are declining, or would be if it wasn't for immigration. Kenyan times haven't improved apart from Timmy. The population of Kenya has increased by around 25% in the last 10 years.

We would hire Sigmund Freud to decrypt your insinuations...

You spend a lot of time doing small calculus.

So, while certainly not fool proof, at least this is a data point to look at. Two questions:

1. Are the times getting generally faster/slower as the timeline progresses?

2. Are the times in 2012 and 2016 faster than the other years as people chase Olympic qualifying times?

A purported 4% increase for a 4-minute miler brings him down to 3:50.4.

A purported 4% increase for a 13:48 5000M runner brings him down to 13:14.88.

Now, out loud, ask yourself who is Cooper Teare?

4% wrote:

A purported 4% increase for a 4-minute miler brings him down to 3:50.4.

A purported 4% increase for a 13:48 5000M runner brings him down to 13:14.88.

Now, out loud, ask yourself who is Cooper Teare?

Teare was like a 4:00 miler in highschool without super spikes and ran 13:12 5000.

What were Bill McChesney He's high school times before running his 13:14 in 1982?

This is a massive story. Why is no one talking about it. The best athletes in Tokyo may not be taking home gold.