Why do people believe that the Ingebrigtsens are blood doping when their father has even higher levels of hemoglobin?

Father dopes best?

FiJa wrote:

Why do people believe Ingebrigtsens are doping when it is known that even their father has blood values at levels of dopers. Its genetics.

Either their father is using epo for no reason or the rest inhereted his genes that increase hemoglobin to the level of dopers. Why cant people see the logic behind it? Ofcourse this only proves that they dont blood dope and doesnt tell anything about steroids etc, but why cant people seem to grasp the fact that naturally high hem can lead to faster times?

That’s news to me, interesting.

Can you cite a source or provide a link?

Thanks.

do tell wrote:

FiJa wrote:

Why do people believe Ingebrigtsens are doping when it is known that even their father has blood values at levels of dopers. Its genetics.

Either their father is using epo for no reason or the rest inhereted his genes that increase hemoglobin to the level of dopers. Why cant people see the logic behind it? Ofcourse this only proves that they dont blood dope and doesnt tell anything about steroids etc, but why cant people seem to grasp the fact that naturally high hem can lead to faster times?

That’s news to me, interesting.

Can you cite a source or provide a link?

Thanks.

"This is probably genetic, since I have also measured over 17 in hemoglobin, says dad Ingebrigtsen."

Is the dad a current athlete? If not, you'd expect the runner offspring to have lower hemoglobin due to plasma dilution.

I agree, but not by that much. My english really suck today. Writing is instead of are etc.

He have actual test result showing his own hemoglobin greater than 17? Or just saying that so his kid hemoglobin no appear suspicious?

Can you ‘naturally’ get you hemoglobin greater than 17 except some Freak genetic condition?

The fact that he mentions his hemoglobin numbers makes him look suspicious. Who does that? Its one of those things that proves nothing yet says volumes. Kind of like Salazar talking about how he gave testosterone to his sons.

Hos wrote:

The fact that he mentions his hemoglobin numbers makes him look suspicious. Who does that? Its one of those things that proves nothing yet says volumes. Kind of like Salazar talking about how he gave testosterone to his sons.

Most professional runners and coaches take regular blood readings

FiJa wrote:

I agree, but not by that much. My english really suck today. Writing is instead of are etc.

Oh, language issues. Red flag. Very suspicious to me. That is the effect of PEDs.

Hos wrote:

The fact that he mentions his hemoglobin numbers makes him look suspicious. Who does that? Its one of those things that proves nothing yet says volumes. Kind of like Salazar talking about how he gave testosterone to his sons.

So he's saying some people are just naturally doped. Interesting take.

13.5-17.5 is the normal range, 18-19 is probably possible for genetic outliers

so dad 'claims' to have high haemoglobin to support kids, but actually has normal levels?

kids are doping.

You are so boring. Try something new, this childish "he is doped!" without anything - I said ANYTHING - other than jelousy as proof, is just pathetic. Grow up. Some people are greater athletes than others. Deal with it.

This is a thing in parts of Norway. A majority of the best skiiers comes from the same "tribe", i.e one region of the nation, just like the majority of Kenyans comes from the same tribe slash part of their nation. Multiple Nordic Cross-Country Olympic Gold medalist Vegard Ulvang had a familiar family situation in the 80s/90s and was able to prove it ran in his family. It's been known since at least then.

Nor-way wrote:

You are so boring. Try something new, this childish "he is doped!" without anything - I said ANYTHING - other than jelousy as proof, is just pathetic. Grow up. Some people are greater athletes than others. Deal with it.

Totally agree. I am bored with this screaming of doping or "it is the shoes". Jakob runs his 12x1k w/60s rest under 3.5 in lactate at 2.40 and consistently his 25x400m w/25-30s rest at 61s also under 3.5. He has measured his lactate threshold speed to 21 kmph (2.50 pr km) And for the shoes they have no magic spring or Pistorius blade runner effect. They are just a little bit better than other shoes, in the longer run, but running without cushion, given you are used to it is more efficient...

All the training paces indicate 12.48 is just what is expected on a good day. If he were to overperform consistently he would need to dope all the time and he is for sure tested...

In the last 10 years there have been multiple indications of his greatness. It is just a matter of when he will stop improving. It is obvious that he has not stopped yet, and it is really interesting to follow that journey.

Five is the magic number wrote:

This is a thing in parts of Norway. A majority of the best skiiers comes from the same "tribe", i.e one region of the nation, just like the majority of Kenyans comes from the same tribe slash part of their nation. Multiple Nordic Cross-Country Olympic Gold medalist Vegard Ulvang had a familiar family situation in the 80s/90s and was able to prove it ran in his family. It's been known since at least then.

What kind of tribe is this??? Skiers in Norway come from any part of Norway, since we basically have snow all over (apart from Stavanger where the Ingebrigtsens are coming and Henrik being an excellent skier was not taken seriously so he switched to running and not skiing, good god that happened). Being a country with a long coastline, we have been active in maritime activities including exchange of DNA with a large part of europe at least for 1000s of years. I think Norwegians are quite diverse in their DNA and no special tribe

Lol, a country known for doping in cross-country skiing manages to have one family with three world class, best of all time track athletes from a coach with no prior experience, no other athletes, and is proclaimed a genius. The only thing Gert is a genius for is picking a sport with so many naive fans and dodging the skiing crowd. "But his workouts", "They hammer threshold", "genetic outlier", please. The same old tired excuses.

In 'The Sports Gene' by David Epstein, chapter 16 details a Finish Olympic x-country skier Eero Mantyranta who had a mutation of chromosome 19 that resulted in an unusually high red blood cell count, as did several of his relatives. From the book, Frode Estil a Norwegian Olympic Gold winning x-country skier had a similar condition.

Johann Olav Koss! That guy was awesome, winning lots when I was kid and followed the Winter Olympics. Speedskater though, wonder if it's all the same.