To all of you who have been saying the super spikes don't work, did you see that? 10 guys just broke the NCAA meet record. LOL.

When they are back to a "normal" training/racing/class load next and the times are significantly slower. will you admit I am right?

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Vancomycin wrote:

When they are back to a "normal" training/racing/class load next and the times are significantly slower. will you admit I am right?

Won't happen.

rojo wrote:

Will you now at least admit what the shoe execs themselves admit - the new spikes work very damn well.

I bet you won't. You'll still be saying it was the Covid-19 training changes that made the difference. LOL.

You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

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This is so embarrassing that you keep putting stuff like this up. We all know including you 28 minutes was terribly slow for a championship record and needed to be broken. Congratulate the athletes and move on.

Vancomycin wrote:

When they are back to a "normal" training/racing/class load next and the times are significantly slower. will you admit I am right?

Does "normal" include indoor, XC, and outdoor all inside of 3 months?

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

When they are back to a "normal" training/racing/class load next and the times are significantly slower. will you admit I am right?

Does "normal" include indoor, XC, and outdoor all inside of 3 months?

Remind me how many athletes competed at both indoor nationals and XC nationals?

Vancomycin wrote:

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Does "normal" include indoor, XC, and outdoor all inside of 3 months?

Remind me how many athletes competed at both indoor nationals and XC nationals?

Of that group in the 10k, I can only think of Kiptoo and Wildschuut.

Wow.

I don't often agree with Rojo, but just bump this thread during the Olympics, thanks. (And did nobody around here watch the meets in this country the past few weeks?)

Amazing year in the shot put. At lt least 4 over 72 feet. MUST be those super shoes!

lke_4:25 wrote:

rojo wrote:

Will you now at least admit what the shoe execs themselves admit - the new spikes work very damn well.

I bet you won't. You'll still be saying it was the Covid-19 training changes that made the difference. LOL.

This is so embarrassing that you keep putting stuff like this up. We all know including you 28 minutes was terribly slow for a championship record and needed to be broken. Congratulate the athletes and move on.

This. I mean 40 seconds slower than the 10k record for NCAA, but for a championship they did have something super. Kiptoo doing a great job rabbiting the race so far into it. Fast instead of tactical. And great conditions. And a brand new specially designed fast track. And more.

Lmao at the people that think the spikes don't help. Every unsponsored pro level runner that has gotten the chance to do so say that they help. Guys that haven't been able to use spikes in training are now able to use them and y'all say that's nothing. Just like the shoes y'all need several studies to know what's obvious. You put on a Type A or a hyperspeed and put on a Next % you instantly can tell which shoe is superior and faster. Same with the spikes. These boards are full of science deniers anyway so it makes total sense. Even when the independent studies come out this place will still be full of naysayers.

#1 testimony to the shoes is the amount of high level athletes that are using the new spikes. Other companies are taking the uppers off and putting their uppers on them. What else do you need?

Nur ran in ordinary Adidas spikes not even their new “super spikes” and got 3rd? What’s next are you going to say its EPO?

The Stache wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

Remind me how many athletes competed at both indoor nationals and XC nationals?

Of that group in the 10k, I can only think of Kiptoo and Wildschuut.

Plus Aaron Bienenfeld of Cincinnati

Yeah cause the only change this year was the spikes.. I'm a college athlete, I few of the guys racing at nattys personally, I know what they've been up to for training. The spikes obviously shave off a second or two but you're an idiot if you think it's the reason records are being broken and it's honestly incredibly disrespectful to the athletes who've been working their asses off all year for this opportunity to race.

checktheshoes wrote:

Nur ran in ordinary Adidas spikes not even their new “super spikes” and got 3rd? What’s next are you going to say its EPO?

What would I say? We know NAU guys have used Nike spikes this season. So either Adidas was not able to get him their new spikes (unlikely) or Nur said screw it I'm going to show that I don't need the spikes as Houlihan did not that long ago as well. Guess what? That cost him something because he ran in inferior footwear.

Merber put this in good perspective. We don't need an asterisk for performances in the new tech. It's better to have an exclamation point on times with old tech. If you use old technology purposely you're a moron. What next? You wanna race on cinder in heavy leather spikes to prove you're a better man than Snell? Get over yourself. Do what's best for you. The new stuff is better as always. End of story.

Even if you add 10 seconds the times are still insane. The shoes help, but we're seeing NCAA athletes that are at a higher level on average than anything we have ever seen

The championship record was nearly a minute slower than the collegiate record. Not exactly a compelling argument for super shoes.

Occam's Razor would settle on "it was a fast race, set on a fast pace by a notorious frontrunner" before anything else. (Kiptoo was the leader at 16 of the first 18 splits.)