Jenny and Hassan have traded wins since 2014, with Jenny winning more important battles at worlds, olympics, etc. Hassan in 2019 to now seems superhuman. Could Jenny keep up with her for the last mile of her 10K?? Now that she's not working with Alberto and still running well, can we assume she is/was clean?
by last year I meant 2019 lol
Wow. Since last year the Earth has move 11.68 billion miles . That's a lot.
malmo wrote:
Wow. Since last year the Earth has move 11.68 billion miles . That's a lot.
So that explains how some are so much faster now? But other aren't? Right.
Armstronglivs wrote:
malmo wrote:
Wow. Since last year the Earth has move 11.68 billion miles . That's a lot.
So that explains how some are so much faster now? But other aren't? Right.
No it doesn't.
fghrunner wrote:
by last year I meant 2019 lol
Oh yeah. Make that 23.36 billion miles ago.
I strongly doubt Jenny was better than Sifan till 2019, their career doesn't say this.
1) There are 7 years of difference : Simpson was born in 1986, Sifan in 1993.
2) Sifan looked at short events till 2017, with average in her 10 top 800m (from 2014 till 2018) of 1'58"948, better than the PB of Jenny (2'00"45 in 2013)
3) Between 2014 and 2019, Sifan had an average (top 10 performances) in 1500m of 3'55"99, also in this case better than the PB of Jenny (3'57"22 in 2014)
4) Already in 2014 the PB in 3000m of Sifan was better than the PB of Jenny (8'29"38 vs 8'29"58)
5) Always Sifan was better in longer distances.
6) Jenny was specialized in 1500m after some year running steeples. She won WCh in 2011, took silver in WCh 2013 and 2017, and bronze in OG 2016.
Sifan won WCh indoor in 2016 and bronze in WCh 2015-2017, before the unusual coupling 1500/10000 producing two World titles in 2019.
7) The range of Sifan always was very much wide. She started when only 18, already running 15 km in 53'57" and a HM in 1h17', and at the moment has the WR of one hour, and a PB of 65'15" in HM (in my opinion she can better the WR after Olympics. She was able to better the WR of Mile and there is no possibility of compare the career of the two athletes, also without considering what Sifan was able to achieve after 2018.
Armstronglivs wrote:
malmo wrote:
Wow. Since last year the Earth has move 11.68 billion miles . That's a lot.
So that explains how some are so much faster now? But other aren't? Right.
So your point was?
Jenny Simpson was a supreme tactician and therefore gained considerably more victories at big events than would correspond to her raw running abilities. (Krause is a bit similar on a lower level, she managed to get two WC Bronze medals from #6-8 seed before the event.)
As a quick look at the stats shows, Hassan was already better at 21 in the 1500m as far as raw running goes. Hassan was even in 2017 with big wins and a bronze in London WC a rather poor/inconsistent tactictian. She has become better but proportionally not as much as at least a handful of other top runners (most of whom didn't run as fast at 20-21 as she did)
malmo wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
So that explains how some are so much faster now? But other aren't? Right.
No it doesn't.
As I posted above. Are you just interested in extraneous facts?
Did Shannon Rowburry retire? Does she have any scheduled races?
Anyone know the actual answers if Rowburry plans to compete?
Do you mean Rowbury?
No she did not retire, and will race the 5000 at the trials
Jo72 wrote:
Jenny Simpson was a supreme tactician and therefore gained considerably more victories at big events than would correspond to her raw running abilities.
Are you saying Hassan is a better runner, but Simpson is a better racer?
Jenny was a final fox and slow race exploiter = that the only difference
Hassan had always better performance and PB.
I can believe Simpson was clean. Does that count?
The guardian
In 2019 World Athletics introduced new rules for track spikes, limiting the use of plates and restricting the sole to no thicker than 30mm. However they have had little effect. All four men’s and women’s 5,000m and 10,000m world records have been broken over the past 10 months. Athletes have also benefited from pacing lights on the track, which allows them to see whether they are on target for a record.
Hassan, who was trained by Alberto Salazar until the controversial American coach’s four-year doping ban in 2019, has always maintained she was a clean athlete and believed in him. Salazar, meanwhile, is appealing against his ban.
Thanks.
Imagine how fast Mary Cain would be if she was a stick figure like Hassan.