Hobbs is already training like a pro

peppa wrote:

He trains under Warhurst with Olympic caliber runners and instead of running with say a 4:30 miler teammates.

Building your fitness up with guys who have ran 3:37 and 3:35/8:19 probably does a lot more for you. He gets to go to school and then train with those dudes. That's why I think if he went pro it would be smoother than some other pros.

He would have his setup stay the way it is and just continue doing his thing.

And don't forget the shoes.

Great idea though. Turn pro and continue to live as he's doing now: live at home, school, and world class training. Bypass the college team nonsense.

peppa wrote:

He trains under Warhurst with Olympic caliber runners and instead of running with say a 4:30 miler teammates.

Building your fitness up with guys who have ran 3:37 and 3:35/8:19 probably does a lot more for you. He gets to go to school and then train with those dudes. That's why I think if he went pro it would be smoother than some other pros.

He would have his setup stay the way it is and just continue doing his thing.

Yeah I wouldn't advise against Kessler going pro. If you already ran faster than the NCAA record while in high school, why bother with the collegiate scene? He can already run in diamond league races with that kind of PR.

For a guy like Drew Hunter, I've always thought he should go to the NCAA, because a 3:57 mile at 19 is really not that impressive on the collegiate level, let alone as a pro.

Drew went from his setup in Virginia to boulder with a bunch of new people and no coach on site.

Hobbs would have Willis and Ferlic, even if Willis retires he'd still be around. Hobbs could also work out with the Michigan runners if he needed more training partners too.

And as for the shoes, he's beating guys who have ran and do run fast, he's doing well against his modern contemporaries and that's what matters most. High schoolers have ran 3:58-4:05 recently, this is still something special

peppa wrote:

Drew went from his setup in Virginia to boulder with a bunch of new people and no coach on site.

Hobbs would have Willis and Ferlic, even if Willis retires he'd still be around. Hobbs could also work out with the Michigan runners if he needed more training partners too.

And as for the shoes, he's beating guys who have ran and do run fast, he's doing well against his modern contemporaries and that's what matters most. High schoolers have ran 3:58-4:05 recently, this is still something special

My point is that Drew wasn't really that special. He likely wouldn't even have won NCAA as a freshman. Kessler is already better than every collegiate EVER. It makes sense for him to go pro.

There’s no reason for him to go to NAU. Warhurst is clearly the coach for him, and it seems like Kessler has a good relationship with Willis and Ferlic. He should absolutely stay put.

He isn't better than any collegiate ever. Jim Ryun ran 3:33.1 as a collegiate, closing in 2:46 on cinder.

Bernard Lagat ran 3:30. Andy Wheating ran 3:30. Yared Nuguse just ran 3:34.68 solo. Centro won world bronze while still enrolled at Oregon. The faster times just don't count for the collegiate record because they were run after the season.

Well, let's see what Kessler runs after the high school season ends, before relegating him to the garbage dump of collegiate also rans.

zcxvzxcv wrote:

He isn't better than any collegiate ever. Jim Ryun ran 3:33.1 as a collegiate, closing in 2:46 on cinder.

Bernard Lagat ran 3:30. Andy Wheating ran 3:30. Yared Nuguse just ran 3:34.68 solo. Centro won world bronze while still enrolled at Oregon. The faster times just don't count for the collegiate record because they were run after the season.

Don't be pendantic. Kessler ran his IN the collegiate season. Sorry for using slight hyperbole, geez.

My point stands. 3:34 1500 is WAY better than a 3:57 mile.

He's been "training like a pro" for what 6 months? Until very recently he cared more about rock climbing than running.

DontForgetTheShoes wrote:

peppa wrote:

He trains under Warhurst with Olympic caliber runners and instead of running with say a 4:30 miler teammates.

Building your fitness up with guys who have ran 3:37 and 3:35/8:19 probably does a lot more for you. He gets to go to school and then train with those dudes. That's why I think if he went pro it would be smoother than some other pros.

He would have his setup stay the way it is and just continue doing his thing.

And don't forget the shoes.

Great idea though. Turn pro and continue to live as he's doing now: live at home, school, and world class training. Bypass the college team nonsense.

OK

Let's not forget how shoes have progressed.

Or tracks.

See pic above for reference.

Neat track, huh?

Doesn't look at all like Monaco though!

Nice sneakers too.

And Alan Webb??

Which track surface and shoe is most similar to Kessler's current track and shoe setup?

He’s with a proven pro 1500 meter coach. He should stay put and take part time online classes. Let’s face it he’s not going to Stanford but NAU. Academics can’t be that big of a deal to him.

fit cross wrote:

He’s with a proven pro 1500 meter coach. He should stay put and take part time online classes. Let’s face it he’s not going to Stanford but NAU. Academics can’t be that big of a deal to him.

As a fan, I hope he runs for NAU and it's not my money anyway.

For the OP, what does training like a pro mean? Did Webb train that way? If there really is such a thing, couldn't any HS coach find such a training program online and have his star runner follow it?

fit cross wrote:

He’s with a proven pro 1500 meter coach. He should stay put and take part time online classes. Let’s face it he’s not going to Stanford but NAU. Academics can’t be that big of a deal to him.

Professional runners only workout a couple hours a day max. He can enroll at and attend classes at the University of Michigan which is down the street from his current very selective magnet high school. Anyway, I'd bet Kessler is one of those bright people who are confident in their intellectual abilities - Stanford needs him more than he needs Stanford or any other beacon for the easily impressed.

Training like a pro means he’s in a pro training group with Willis and Ferlic

He gets to train like a pro as in he runs with them in workouts and learns from them

You have 2 kids with 3:42 talent but one of them is in a regular high school the next is in a special set up with 3:35-3:37 runners

The first kid is running with his teammates who can be anywhere from 4:15-4:45 guys if they’re decent high schoolers, while the second dude gets to train with other pros like he’s in a pro group

Over time the second one will be able to improve more with solid training partners

Training like a pro is sitting back and letting Warhurst magic happen as you drop or get dropped by Ferlic and Willis

And donuts

This is exact why is potential is meh.

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zcxvzxcv wrote:

He isn't better than any collegiate ever. Jim Ryun ran 3:33.1 as a collegiate, closing in 2:46 on cinder.

Bernard Lagat ran 3:30. Andy Wheating ran 3:30. Yared Nuguse just ran 3:34.68 solo. Centro won world bronze while still enrolled at Oregon. The faster times just don't count for the collegiate record because they were run after the season.

Don't be pendantic. Kessler ran his IN the collegiate season. Sorry for using slight hyperbole, geez.

My point stands. 3:34 1500 is WAY better than a 3:57 mile.

I get your point but to say many of those guys could not have done what they did during the summer a month or so earlier at say NCAAs if given the same environment they got over seas seems wrong. Like Centro Wheating (only two I was around for so only two I will speak about) definitely had that fitness the poster was talking about during the outdoor season their senior years just did not have the circumstances to show it. Once given placed in that environment their performances went way up, not because they gained fitness in the 4 weeks since NCAAs but because the field brought out the best in them. Centro destroyed lagat in the 1500 over the last 50m at Nationals in 2011 and lagat was bronze in the 1500 in 09. I'd take 11 Centro over Hobbs in a heartbeat despite Hobbs running much faster.

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zcxvzxcv wrote:

He isn't better than any collegiate ever. Jim Ryun ran 3:33.1 as a collegiate, closing in 2:46 on cinder.

Bernard Lagat ran 3:30. Andy Wheating ran 3:30. Yared Nuguse just ran 3:34.68 solo. Centro won world bronze while still enrolled at Oregon. The faster times just don't count for the collegiate record because they were run after the season.

Don't be pendantic. Kessler ran his IN the collegiate season. Sorry for using slight hyperbole, geez.

My point stands. 3:34 1500 is WAY better than a 3:57 mile.

Well if he somehow was on a college team this year unless he failed to qualify for the ncca chamoionships he wouldn't have been in that 3:33 race with Engels

fatttty wrote:

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Don't be pendantic. Kessler ran his IN the collegiate season. Sorry for using slight hyperbole, geez.

My point stands. 3:34 1500 is WAY better than a 3:57 mile.

Well if he somehow was on a college team this year unless he failed to qualify for the ncca chamoionships he wouldn't have been in that 3:33 race with Engels

Then to add on that cooper ran 3:50 still