Kentucky Derby winner tests positive for PEDs

The Unkle wrote:

What's wrong with using an anti-inflammatory drug?

Most steroids are prescribed as anti-inflammatory.

They must have been feeding the horse tainted beef.

Anti [inflamintory steroids are entirely different than anabolic steroids and have no benefit to athletic performances.

look to the trainer wrote:

I wouldn't blame Medina Spirit for this. I truly think that when the dust settles, we'll find that his trainers doped him without his knowledge. Not trying to make excuses or shift blame, but I can really see this happening.

My sentiments exactly.

The difference between horse racing and distance running is that the horse does not have a choice. The "sport" is totally abusive.

Hopefully Maryland says sayanora.

Fraud of this level should carry a prison term.

It's a PED

Short term elevation is VO2peak , substrate availability and time to exhaustion in exercise (not merely a stimulant); and in some cases, reduced work of breathing and /or a remedy for various and sundry aches and pains... as an anti inflammatory. Lots more to it than this, but that's the gist.

downside of use = increased cancer, drugs addiction and fracture risk

21 picograms triggers a positive result??! 21 trillionth of a single gram?? Hard to believe.

Lots of thoughts and questions.

1. I'm surprised there aren't more cases of horses being DQed at the highest levels of racing due to banned substances since there is so much money at stake.

2. The amount detected is so trace (pico grams). How does that have any effect on an animal the size of a race horse? It seems to be so trace. Also, the substance is allowed, just not on race day.

3. It seems it would be easy to DQ a rival race horse by injecting a trace amount of a banned substance into a rival horse when not supervised.

4. Are horse race times getting faster over the past 40 years like running race times have in 5K, 10K, marathon?

Dark horsey wrote:

King of Pain wrote:

They are and that does not change. The winning purse could change hands though.

Hmm, that seems like a problem.

Medina Spirit had 12:1 odds. Baffert could have just told all his friends to bet everything on his horse because he's going to dope it to the gills. Who cares if you get caught afterwards, money's already been paid out.

He didn't know that the horse would win and bets piling on lowers the odds.

runnerboy70 wrote:

Anti [inflamintory steroids are entirely different than anabolic steroids and have no benefit to athletic performances.

Some of them do. The other concern is that masked injuries endanger the horse and rider.

look to the trainer wrote:

I wouldn't blame Medina Spirit for this. I truly think that when the dust settles, we'll find that his trainers doped him without his knowledge. Not trying to make excuses or shift blame, but I can really see this happening.

surprised we havent had renato come on here and claim that derby horses cant benefit from PEDs, then rectalrunner claim with his superior intellect that PEDs dont work on horses, while using coe and soviet runners to back up his claims, then armstronglives coming in to argue and somehow turn this into a thread to combine PED arguing with all whites are racists.

random questions from a non horse racer wrote:

Lots of thoughts and questions.

1. I'm surprised there aren't more cases of horses being DQed at the highest levels of racing due to banned substances since there is so much money at stake.

2. The amount detected is so trace (pico grams). How does that have any effect on an animal the size of a race horse? It seems to be so trace. Also, the substance is allowed, just not on race day.

3. It seems it would be easy to DQ a rival race horse by injecting a trace amount of a banned substance into a rival horse when not supervised.

4. Are horse race times getting faster over the past 40 years like running race times have in 5K, 10K, marathon?

There is barn security although horses have been tampered with before races. Often by bribing the groom of the horse to ''stop" them. Quite easy to do even without drugs.

Horses aren't really getting faster except by having faster tracks. Secretariat still holds all the Triple Crown records.

picogram (plural picograms) A unit of mass equal to 0.000 000 000 001 grams.

it is an anti inflammatory.

trace anti inflammatory is not doped to the gills.

the amount is a residual.

so, no PED situation.

zero

horses are not getting faster.

many records are from fifty years ago.

times from eighty years ago stand up.

science has done nothing for horse racing.

they need to bring in fresh genetics to improve.

horse racing is at a dead end.

in 1931 twenty grand ran 201 in the derby.

no horse has broken 201 since 2000.

including the so called doped to gills race horses.

science has done zero for horse racing.

if you trained and bred people like race horses, you would have an entirely new scenario.

like a 137 800m,

a 337 mile.

crazy but true.

keep breeding for several decades years and you hit the wall.