go nude wrote:
Are you sure about the surgery?
watch the ncaa xc coverage, and coach henes interview .they talked about it
go nude wrote:
Are you sure about the surgery?
watch the ncaa xc coverage, and coach henes interview .they talked about it
AsAnd wrote:
She is doing great, progressing well and eating up the freshman legions! I enjoy watching her run, fighting adversity, and kicking butt.... on her competitors sure, but especially the misogynist haters who can't run under 20 min, let alone 16, and cheer the failures of an incredible person and runner. Pure scum in other words.
hear! hear!
semihaze wrote:
name a freshman who ran 15:47 on their outdoor 5k debut ... none
Laurynne Chetelat - 15:43.31 - 2009 Stanford Invitational
Emily Stites - 15:45.31 - 2013 Mt. SAC Relays
Kelati 15:37
semihaze wrote:
astro wrote:
Steelman was running at a pace to run 15:30.Tuohy was matching that pace until the last 800.
junior steelman is one hell of a runner , shes been in 5k and 3s ncaa championships and has represented usa ... the fact that katelyn can keep up with her for most of the race is already impressive
i dont know why these trolls in the comment section are so obsessed with an 84 lap ..as if thats slow .. lol
Right, and running a 15:47 with an 84 last lap is a better sign than running a 15:47 with anything from 76-83 sec last lap. The first suggests she can go faster off a slightly slower pace, the rest doesn’t at 76 and less so up to the 84 on a sliding scale.
Not sure how you created that complex mathematical formula. I assume if she went 1 second slower per lap, her finish time would be exactly the same.
Big Boy in the NCAA wrote:
Not sure how you created that complex mathematical formula. I assume if she went 1 second slower per lap, her finish time would be exactly the same.
room for improvement
She's running great.
Running careers have ebbs and flows. Ups and downs. A down doesn't mean a disaster. A plateau doesn't mean things are over.
Katelyn is coming back from an injury. She's racing really really well. She's swiped a couple of All American awards. She was the top frosh at NCAAs. She's run 4:16 and 15:47. Solid times, great times for any freshman by any standard. She's not going to gobble everything up and win everything as a freshman in college. No one ever has.
Everyone is different. Jenny's freshman XC season included a 39th place finish in XC. People dismissed her and then she won a national title in outdoor that spring.
It took a few years for Shelby, Emma, Colleen and Courtney to rise. Some of the had good freshman years, but none were dominating. Look at them now.
Maybe we should do something for her that we have never done for any female phenom ever. Give her a minute to get her feet under her, to be a teenager, and to adjust to college.
This board has a cultish belief that unless female runners steadily pr from the freshman to senior years of high school they are doomed. Where this comes from is anyone's guess. They will have ebbs and flows, but as long as they stay healthy they usually sail right through it. Tuohy despite recovering from surgery is having by far the best season of any freshman distance runner. She was just 10 seconds off her great high school time in the 5km. This race was carbon copy of the XC Championship race and as her form/fitness keeps improving so will her time.
Houlihan progressed straight through high school and she is the fastest American of all time.
Ok. And so what? Each athlete progresses different. Wasn't she 93rd at the XC NCAA champion ship a a freshman? Then she went 1st, 8th and 9th. I'm sure someone her senior year said she was regressing and had plateaued. :)
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Schweizer progressed through high school. It seems that the most successful runners have a pretty straight line of improvement. You asked where the idea came from which suggests that it is a theory not based on factual data. Of course all do not improve this way but the very best seem to.
Purrier has a fairly constant rate of improvement through high school also. I think Astro was talking high school initially but may have been college.
And as you admit others did not. Exactly. Athletes progress differently, but the article of faith here is that they only progress one way.
Someone like Purrier or Houlihan is completely different from Tuohy. Tuohy had trained at a higher level and achieved at a higher level than those two in high school. Rather look at someone like Raevyn Rogers. If Tuohy becomes a big winner in her college career and improves her time somewhat, that would be a great sign for her. She doesn’t need to drop 10 seconds in the 5,000 each year.
Mary Decker was an example of the opposite type of progression.
I would be interested to have you provide 3 examples of top American women who did not progress in a relatively straight line. I admit that I believe that the best do but I am always open to be proven incorrect.
What was Decker's 3k time through high school? Are you saying that her best was freshman year? I thinknwe are focusing on distance, not 800.
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