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Cripes, make a *little* effort.
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Cripes, make a *little* effort.
A literal price and princess: powerless victims of oppression.
Youtuber is ME wrote:
The US lost a million soldiers to defeat Nazi Germany while soldiers of England and France just carried ammunition, drove trucks, and cooked foods.
Your grasp of WW2 would merit a failing grade in a middle school history class.
A significant portion of France, including its colonial possessions, was allied with Germany and Japan.
The British invaded the French colony of Madagascar in WWII to prevent it from being used as a submarine base by the German and Japanese. The British and the Americans invaded French North Africa.
The Soviets were neutral as well.
France pretended to fight for a few weeks, then surrendered - and for the most part, collaborated from that point forward.
England fought to the point of exhaustion of their populace and near-destruction of their economy, hastening the loss of their overseas colonies and resulting in 30+ years of austerity measures.
The WW II Museum in New Orleans is a great visit.
This post is a typical example of how little Americans know about world history.
I don't think Americans feel we had any help fighting Nazi Germany. If there were soldiers from the so-called "Allies" that helped the millions of American Boys (our great-grandparents) they need to tell their story. I've seen many fictional Hollywood movies but it's entertainment to sell tickets.
Movie Buff wrote:
I don't think Americans feel we had any help fighting Nazi Germany. If there were soldiers from the so-called "Allies" that helped the millions of American Boys (our great-grandparents) they need to tell their story. I've seen many fictional Hollywood movies but it's entertainment to sell tickets.
Y’all love counterfactuals don’t you. Since they denied the English fought for them, the year is 1949. The Italians Germans and Japanese control the whole world, except for that nation protected by two seas... the Germans took Caucasia and the Suez and it was all over. The United States fights on alone. Choose your own adventure. Thankfully we still had the Manhattan project...? If not, the world film industry is going to look a lot different for many centuries
From all that I've read... wrote:
France pretended to fight for a few weeks, then surrendered - and for the most part, collaborated from that point forward.
England fought to the point of exhaustion of their populace and near-destruction of their economy, hastening the loss of their overseas colonies and resulting in 30+ years of austerity measures.
The WW II Museum in New Orleans is a great visit.
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The Americans didn't get involved until Japan actually tried to wipe out their navy. Even then the USA only declared war on Germany because Germany did (stupidly in support of Japan).
Let that sink in. Most of Europe was already under the tyrannical boot of the Nazis. For the first time in history civilian populations had been bombed and massacred in places like Gurnica, Rotherham, and Warsaw by the Luftwaffe. Britain was hanging on by it's teeth, fighting alone and saved only by it's island nature, but the world expected Hitler to invade any day and overrun us. Jews were already being sent to camps and many who tried to flee to the USA were being turned away.
And all because the dastardly yanks wanted Germany and the British Empire (and hopefully the Soviet Union) to fight each other to exhaustion in order to gain global hegemony for themselves.
At the end of the war, Churchill warned that a new 'Iron Curtain' was falling over Europe, but Roosevelt was having none of it. He actually saw Churchill as big a threat as Stalin.
Then the US ensured that Britain would lose their Empire by forcing them to pay back all their 'debts' to the US for allowing them to use Britain as an aircraft carrier during (and after) the war. As well as then humiliating Britain in the Suez Crisis, which was really the end of Britain as a world power (and ensured that the Middle-East would be a tinderbox for the next few centuries).
When you think of it, America's performance in the war and afterwards was pretty shameful. Britain was the only country that did the right thing from the start to the end (aside from the terror bombing of civilian targets, which the Americans were even more guilty of - nor were their civillians ever bombed by Germany or Japan).
Jeeze. All that killing and by the 1950s the US empires all evaporated in Africa, Asia, China, Middle East, Pacific. South East Asia liberation happened by 1975. What a waste.
After the US defeat by Vietnam in 1975, the US copied UK/FR and stopped fighting with their own failed militia. Now the US bribes proxy Hitler-clones in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, UAE, etc. to die for what remains of a shell of a US Empire.
Coevett wrote:
From all that I've read... wrote:
France pretended to fight for a few weeks, then surrendered - and for the most part, collaborated from that point forward.
England fought to the point of exhaustion of their populace and near-destruction of their economy, hastening the loss of their overseas colonies and resulting in 30+ years of austerity measures.
The WW II Museum in New Orleans is a great visit.
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The Americans didn't get involved until Japan actually tried to wipe out their navy. Even then the USA only declared war on Germany because Germany did (stupidly in support of Japan).
Let that sink in. Most of Europe was already under the tyrannical boot of the Nazis. For the first time in history civilian populations had been bombed and massacred in places like Gurnica, Rotherham, and Warsaw by the Luftwaffe. Britain was hanging on by it's teeth, fighting alone and saved only by it's island nature, but the world expected Hitler to invade any day and overrun us. Jews were already being sent to camps and many who tried to flee to the USA were being turned away.
And all because the dastardly yanks wanted Germany and the British Empire (and hopefully the Soviet Union) to fight each other to exhaustion in order to gain global hegemony for themselves.
At the end of the war, Churchill warned that a new 'Iron Curtain' was falling over Europe, but Roosevelt was having none of it. He actually saw Churchill as big a threat as Stalin.
Then the US ensured that Britain would lose their Empire by forcing them to pay back all their 'debts' to the US for allowing them to use Britain as an aircraft carrier during (and after) the war. As well as then humiliating Britain in the Suez Crisis, which was really the end of Britain as a world power (and ensured that the Middle-East would be a tinderbox for the next few centuries).
When you think of it, America's performance in the war and afterwards was pretty shameful. Britain was the only country that did the right thing from the start to the end (aside from the terror bombing of civilian targets, which the Americans were even more guilty of - nor were their civillians ever bombed by Germany or Japan).
Covett - you don't know your WW2 history very well. Britian wasn't "hanging on by it's teeth." That's nonsense, in fact, the UK performed marvelously before the U.S. ever entered into the war. Have you forgotten the Battle of Britian? The Battle of Britain marked the first major defeat of Germany's military forces by none other than the Royal Air Force. This was a huge blow to Hitler and his Luftwaffe. Then came the Nazi bombing campaign of England known as - The Blitz, which was another complete failure by Hilter.
How about the North African Campaign of 1940-41? The British Empire & Commonwealth forces also performed marvelously against the Nazi war machine pretty much defeating the overrated "Erwin Rommel" and his Afrika Korps before the U.S got involved with General Patton.
In the East, after the colossal failure of Operation Barborosa, the Soviets steamrolled the Nazis crushing them at the Battle of Stalingrad, then another crushing defeat at Operation Bagration (Belarus) and still another crushing defeat of the Nazi war machine at the Vistula–Oder offensive (Poland) before chasing the retreating Nazi's all the way to a finally battle at Berlin (Battle of Berlin).The Soviets kicked some serious ass single handedly defeating the Nazi war machine in the Eastern theatre and should be honored & remembered!
In reality, German was ill-prepared for a world war. General Ludwig Beck, who was Chief of the General Staff during the early Nazi years warned Hitler that starting a war before 1940 would be disastrous for the Germans. And as history has shown, Beck was spot on (Beck was later implicated as a main player in Operation Valkyrie, the assassination attempt on Hitler, and was forced to shoot himself).
I'm not so sure the U.S. needed to enter the European campaign. Though it would have dragged the war on longer, the UK & Commonwealth forces & Soviet Union seemed to be doing just fine. Roosevelt could have allocated the forces reserved for Europe to the Pacific campaign ending that blood bath with the Japanese a whole hell of a lot sooner.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britainhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_campaignFrance and Britain lost their imperial slave colonies. They still don't bathe nor brush their teeth in Northern Europe.
WAS IT NOT THE CASE THAT HITLER DECLARED WAR ON THE USA?
Les Crouch wrote:
WAS IT NOT THE CASE THAT HITLER DECLARED WAR ON THE USA?
Yes. Yes, it was.
It's also the case that the (now deleted) OP clearly established this as a troll thread.
Mark Felton Productions, my recommendation for WWII education in entertaining, easy to digest 10 to 20 minute shorts:
Your saying it's two nations of betas?
CrispyChicken wrote:
A significant portion of France, including its colonial possessions, was allied with Germany and Japan.
The British invaded the French colony of Madagascar in WWII to prevent it from being used as a submarine base by the German and Japanese. The British and the Americans invaded French North Africa.
Yes, but only after France surrendered in 1940 and the Germans set up a puppet government. From there you had two French militaries, the Free French who were with the Allies, and the Vichy French who fought with the Axis.