Going out too hard and dying may work if your competition isn't too stiff but it's a moranic strategy. What was he/his coach thinking???
Going out too hard and dying may work if your competition isn't too stiff but it's a moranic strategy. What was he/his coach thinking???
Yep when you're racing multiple guys who can beat you any day, no need to have a suicide pace. Maybe he's just having fun by doing this or just not calculating pace too well which many runners do.
He just runs. He doesn’t worry about pace. He doesn’t time anything, and just goes how he feels.
y ondieki wrote:
He just runs. He doesn’t worry about pace. He doesn’t time anything, and just goes how he feels.
It's well-known even splits or negative splits are the best for running your fastest time possible. He keeps going out really hard with the sole purpose of dropping everyone else to guarantee he wins. In indoors it worked because you didn't have the real fastest people in the country in the race. Lots of guys didn't run indoors that would have been faster than the people who finished 2nd place and beyond. I do believe he's the best runner, but he needs to run smarter and evenly distribute his effort across the race. Obviously going out in 4:06 to run 13:23 is a stupid pacing strategy and so is going out in 8:14 for 3k to run a high 29 cross country 10k.
I understand that Wesley is starting a Kip Too movement. It is not quite like the Me Too movement but it may have similar impact. We are not exactly sure what it is all about yet.
clearly he is not a good strategic runner. I'm guessing his coach has little control of this strategy. Or perhaps it's something where if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, now it's broke. Time to recalibrate.
He was feeling the death march wrote:
y ondieki wrote:
He just runs. He doesn’t worry about pace. He doesn’t time anything, and just goes how he feels.
It's well-known even splits or negative splits are the best for running your fastest time possible. He keeps going out really hard with the sole purpose of dropping everyone else to guarantee he wins. In indoors it worked because you didn't have the real fastest people in the country in the race. Lots of guys didn't run indoors that would have been faster than the people who finished 2nd place and beyond. I do believe he's the best runner, but he needs to run smarter and evenly distribute his effort across the race. Obviously going out in 4:06 to run 13:23 is a stupid pacing strategy and so is going out in 8:14 for 3k to run a high 29 cross country 10k.
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Tough courses and tough conditions are extra harsh on those who go out too fast. Maybe on a flat golf course type setting with perfect conditions, it would have worked.
It occurred to me that the last 2 years have been perfect for a grinder like Mantz. Not taking away from his win, but I seriously doubt he wins by 21 seconds on a flat course with good conditions.
high school xc coach wrote:
clearly he is not a good strategic runner. I'm guessing his coach has little control of this strategy. Or perhaps it's something where if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, now it's broke. Time to recalibrate.
+1
The race was his to lose and he did just that. All he ad to do was break away, stay in his initial pack of 4 and not push the whole time. AS long as they moved away from the main pack and he was running within himself he could have pushed the last km or so and won.
Really bad strategy over all.
Tommy2Nutz wrote:
The race was his to lose and he did just that. All he ad to do was break away, stay in his initial pack of 4 and not push the whole time. AS long as they moved away from the main pack and he was running within himself he could have pushed the last km or so and won.
Really bad strategy over all.
I think that's just what he does yea? Broke the NCAA Indoor 5000m record.
Has run 27:28. I think he knows how to win. He just didn't expect anyone to go with him or stay with him.
I think he lost because he ran that 5000m 3 days earlier.
Alan
Bro uses a “horrible” strategy, goes out “way too fast” and finishes in 3rd. After doubling back from the 5000. The horror.
It is just as likely that if Mantz had pushed to stay with him mid race he would’ve completely blown up. Or if he hadn’t had help regrouping he would’ve never come back to the front.
It is also just as likely if Kiptoo sits in the group he also finishes third. Without the 5000 he probably just runs away from the field.
Going out too fast and demoralizing everyone and putting them over their limit is a valid strategy if you are one of the best in the field.
Do you realize that the 2nd place guy finished 4th in the indoor 5k? So he beat every single one of these better competitors except one. Arguably if the 1 and 4 finishers from the 5k went 2-3 in xc on tired legs, that says the 5k field was better.
Grassrunner wrote:
Going out too hard and dying may work if your competition isn't too stiff but it's a moranic strategy. What was he/his coach thinking???
He was/is head and shoulders above the competition in both races. He simply didn’t have it in race 2.
As evidenced by him losing to a guy he destroyed a few nights before.
He ran 14:24 / 15:30 splits.
prediction time wrote:
Grassrunner wrote:
Going out too hard and dying may work if your competition isn't too stiff but it's a moranic strategy. What was he/his coach thinking???
He was/is head and shoulders above the competition in both races. He simply didn’t have it in race 2.
As evidenced by him losing to a guy he destroyed a few nights before.
He ran 14:24 / 15:30 splits.
Young ran 14:34/15:24 so obviously the 2nd half was tougher.