math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
I agree with that. Poor math skills shows lack of ability to think logically.
Problem solving in general is a key to gage intelligence level but it doesn't have to necessarily be math problems. Some smart people may be perplexed by math but good at solving other problems. But again, ability to figure things out usually signifies high intelligence.
It's a little more complicated than that. Yes, math (or quantitative reasoning) is one factor of general mental ability. And it there is evidence of one underlying construct of intelligence.
So if you suck at math it indicates you are lower in intelligence. But it's not everything, some people are great at math but terrible and at verbal reasoning, or the opposite. There are several factors of general mental ability, but they are all strongly correlated.
Your conclusion of people who are bad at math being morons is an overgeneralization.
The way you phrased your question makes you come off poorly.
Also, you misspelled the word moron.
Had a grandfather who was born and raised in Missouri he couldn't read or write but what he could do was cook better than my mom, my wife and my grandma's, he could tear an engine down rebuild it and put it back, his garden was amazing, he played the piano, the harmonica and the guitar, he knew all those old Jimmie Rodgers, Frank Hutchison, The Carter Family songs, he knew how to get people to do what he wanted and wanting to. He could fix anything and liked doing it and everyone who knew him adored him. When he died there must have been a thousand people at his funeral, that right there is the true test, how many will miss you when you're gone.
Way too much is made about intelligence, have known guys with some degree without a lick of common sense. Couldn't even change their oil.
Queche wrote:
I agree with that. Poor math skills shows lack of ability to think logically.
^ Same with lack of agreement between subject ("skills") and verb ("shows"). Or was that an attempt at sarcasm?
Oh, that's rich! wrote:
Queche wrote:
I agree with that. Poor math skills shows lack of ability to think logically.
^ Same with lack of agreement between subject ("skills") and verb ("shows"). Or was that an attempt at sarcasm?
No, just a typo.
in general, yes. but a small part of the blame can be placed on atrocious teaching.
hombre3000 wrote:
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
Some people are just so bored by it that it doesn't hold their attention.
HRE wrote:
hombre3000 wrote:
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
Some people are just so bored by it that it doesn't hold their attention.
That was me in high school. I knew I would never need any of that sh!t in my day-to-day life, and it turns out: I was right.
hombre3000 wrote:
math is a litmus test for actual intelligence (not made-up intelligence). I've never met someone who's "bad at math" and was not a moran.
I would argue that putting together a logical argument is also a litmus test for “actual intelligence”. In order to do that you need to define what “bad at math” means. Is it scoring below some arbitrary score on the quantitative section in the SATs? Is it an inability to pass an entry level college calculus course? Or... is it simply whenever someone self identifies as being “bad at math”?
I personally know a best selling author, a successful physician and a CEO of a fortune 50 company all of whom would self describe as being “bad at math” so I certainly hope that isn’t what you are coming with.
Math is a broad field that calls upon on multiple intellectual faculties (inductive, spatial, numerical), and many people who don't go far in math are able to excel in other disciplines involving the more abstract world of words and ideas. If you have high inductive reasoning and low spatial intelligence, you won't excel at math, but you might excel at writing, finance, and law. There are people who excel at match but cannot do other things.
jackiemoon wrote:
Also, you misspelled the word moron.
You must be brand new here. Welcome!
Discus Morans wrote:
jackiemoon wrote:
Also, you misspelled the word moron.
You must be brand new here. Welcome!
LOL
It's an overgeneralization, but yes: For the most part, people who just "suck at math" are, on average, not as intelligent as those who do well in it.
The same is true for people who "just don't test well." Most of the people who are "not good test-takers" are of lesser intelligence than those who do well on tests.
There absolutely are exceptions!--but they are relatively few. Most people who aren't good with math and/or don't test well are indeed "dumb" (though that's not the word I'd use).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2eyq9qTOQY
It's scary that these people vote. They very likely vote based on the media's representation on people and not about real things that will be done once they're elected. Goes for both sides, there are complete idiots who are Democrats and Republicans. It seems as time goes on more and more people are idiots which is crazy since it's so easy to learn things now with the internet. But people choose to consume garbage like who Kim Kardashian is dating instead of useful information. Meanwhile kids in India and South Korea are kicking our booties with much better priorities.
Come on, dude. This is what people say who are decent at math, but have major gaps in other areas (verbal reasoning, coordination, social awareness, street skills). The more of those you're good at, the more intelligent you probably come off. Why not make a thread about how people are idiots who can't understand author's purpose or main idea?
Besides, it sounds like you are defining actual intelligence as math intelligence. A bit circular and not good reasoning.
Education is a big part too. Do you think every person who lived as a hunter and gatherer was a moran just because they couldn't take the square root of 121? If kids aren't taught well at a few critical ages, they'll likely never recover.
First, most people who consider themselves "good at math" just memorized some mental tricks and shortcuts--they don't actually understand advanced theory and would get totally wrecked by anything above Calculus I. Just because you memorized a mental shortcut for finding derivatives doesn't make you "good at math." It makes you good at memorizing algorithms.
Second, some people have legitimate learning disabilities that make math really hard. There are some extremely intelligent people out there that are just terrible at math because they can't conceptualize numbers abstractly. But they might be amazing writers or artists, or be great at leading organizations regardless of that. And conversely, there are some people who are true geniuses in math or hard sciences that are borderline illiterate could not have an intelligent conversation about literature or history.