MOST OVERHYPED HISH SCHOOL RUNNER

Why don’t you choose someone who proved to be unsuccessful after hish school?

wazzu1452 wrote:

1. Nico Young

2. Katelyn Tuohy

3. An (DREW) Hunter

4. Mary Cain

Yes Drew hunter hasnt lived up to expectations yet, Cain was a complete bust, it’s way too early to make definitive statements abt Tuohy, idk how you can possibly say nico is overhyped he’s running right on the heels of the absolute best in the ncaa in xc rn as a true freshmen

Mary Cain

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wazzu1452 wrote:

1. Nico Young

2. Katelyn Tuohy

3. An (DREW) Hunter

4. Mary Cain

Nico Young has lived up the hype. Poor trolling.

wazzu1452 wrote:

1. Nico Young

2. Katelyn Tuohy

3. An (DREW) Hunter

4. Mary Cain

Everyone on your list deserved to be hyped. Nico Young's NXN was a GOAT like performance and he would have approached 4:00/8:30 without the pandemic. Tuohy was hindered by injuries towards the end of her HS career but set records before that. Hunter ran 1:48, broke 4:00, out kicked Fisher in a 2-mile as a junior and also would have approached 8:30 had he not become sick with Lyme disease. Cain set more records than any HS distance runner in history and had the greatest range.

You can't judge their post HS careers and backtrack to call them overhyped.

I agree with SDSU Aztec...It's easy to identify athletes whose post-high school career didn't match up with expectations for myriad reasons (usually injury) (e.g. GF, LV, Mary Cain, Slagowski etc.). But they weren't overhyped, because the hype at a young age was well deserved.

It's more interesting to consider whether there were high school athletes receiving hype that was totally disproportionate to what they were achieving. Honestly I'm struggling to think of any.

HUnter was older age for his senior year of high school. I would pretty much consider anything that happened that year as a college freshman performance.

the best runner I ever coached did not turn 17 until November of his senior year.

All of these runners achieved great things in high school. Their hype was, for the most part, earned. Nico and Katelyn are far too young to say they peaked in high school, anyways. I do think Nico was a little overhyped, he never really entered the GOAT conversation in my book, but I’d say the same for Grant Fisher, Brie Oakley and other successful high schoolers who were actually overhyped. Cain especially is kind of impossible to overhype; she was 8th at the world championship, a world junior champion, and a 2x US indoor champion by the time she left high school. 1:59 and 4:04 are times that still seem impossibly fast for a high schooler, and her non-record eligible times of 2:35, 4:24, and 9:38 are just as incredible. She earned all the hype she ever got, and the fact it didn’t pan out for her professionally does not change that. She’s still had a better career than 90% of “professional” runners.

high school xc coach wrote:

HUnter was older age for his senior year of high school. I would pretty much consider anything that happened that year as a college freshman performance.

the best runner I ever coached did not turn 17 until November of his senior year.

In that case, did you coach German Fernandez?

And for the millionth time, Hunter has a September birthday which is perfectly normal for a graduating senior. Being 4 months older than the 'average' high school student is a marginal difference.

How was Fisher "overhyped"? He won 2x footlocker championships (which puts him with guys like Ritz, Cheserek, and Verzbicas), 2x Adidas Dream Mile championships (back when that meant something), and was only the 7th high schooler to run sub4.

He was undefeated aside from the last two races of high school career when he was running on fumes. He did all this on less than 50mpw. Just look at the times he's running now, and you'll realize how he was adequately "hyped" in high school.

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high school xc coach wrote:

HUnter was older age for his senior year of high school. I would pretty much consider anything that happened that year as a college freshman performance.

the best runner I ever coached did not turn 17 until November of his senior year.

In that case, did you coach German Fernandez?

And for the millionth time, Hunter has a September birthday which is perfectly normal for a graduating senior. Being 4 months older than the 'average' high school student is a marginal difference.

Where I'm from it's incredibly rare to have a student be born a full calendar year earlier than his classmates. There were probably only 1 or 2 students in my class like that (out of 300 at my high school), and they were held back for behavioral or intellectual reasons.

Where is this normal? It certainly happens, but it isn't "normal". And yes, being born a full calendar year earlier than many athletes gives you a HUGE advantage in high school sports.

asdfasdf wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

HUnter was older age for his senior year of high school. I would pretty much consider anything that happened that year as a college freshman performance.

the best runner I ever coached did not turn 17 until November of his senior year.

In that case, did you coach German Fernandez?

And for the millionth time, Hunter has a September birthday which is perfectly normal for a graduating senior. Being 4 months older than the 'average' high school student is a marginal difference.

it's not abnormal, but he is going to be the oldest guy and at an advantage. He is something like 4 months younger than fisher but got an extra year of high school.

Where i come from, athletic minded parents hold their kids back a year so that they can have this advantage.

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Even looking at hunter's junior season, he had tremendous times. But he was very well coached from a young age. That extra year of maturity makes an even bigger difference for him than most others.

high school xc coach wrote:

asdfasdf wrote:

In that case, did you coach German Fernandez?

And for the millionth time, Hunter has a September birthday which is perfectly normal for a graduating senior. Being 4 months older than the 'average' high school student is a marginal difference.

it's not abnormal, but he is going to be the oldest guy and at an advantage. He is something like 4 months younger than fisher but got an extra year of high school.

Where i come from, athletic minded parents hold their kids back a year so that they can have this advantage.

Exactly. It's either for some sort of advantage or if the student is struggling early on with school. Whether the Hunters did this intentionally we'll never know, but it no doubt gives him an advantage.

Let's say the "average" student for a given year is born in June, then Hunter is "on average" 10 months older than the "average" student. That's huge.

wazzu1452 wrote:

1. Nico Young

2. Katelyn Tuohy

3. An (DREW) Hunter

4. Mary Cain

You list some of the best American HS runners of the past decade. How were they overhyped in HS?

A better nominee

As a contemporary of his, he was obviously great in HS but I remember thinking his family moving cross country to Colorado as being extreme. Given he had no FL wins and finished 34th in World Junior XC I felt like his reputation exceeded his career as a HS runner.

Dathan ritzenhein is by far the most overrated highschool runner, and runner of any age, in American and world history.

He is just skinny kid who ran a few good xc races and is slower than Webb in every single distance.

Oh ya, and just like many others, he retired at a young age. Although he probably should have never went pro to begin with.

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high school xc coach wrote:

it's not abnormal, but he is going to be the oldest guy and at an advantage. He is something like 4 months younger than fisher but got an extra year of high school.

Where i come from, athletic minded parents hold their kids back a year so that they can have this advantage.

Exactly. It's either for some sort of advantage or if the student is struggling early on with school. Whether the Hunters did this intentionally we'll never know, but it no doubt gives him an advantage.

Let's say the "average" student for a given year is born in June, then Hunter is "on average" 10 months older than the "average" student. That's huge.

Someone is a little butt hurt. :(