The New Puma Training Group

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If they're in crap spikes, Ali Cragg will be pleased as you can't put the blame on the coaching.

Is Alistair really doing the. coaching? If so, this group will hate each other within months.

They both did just fine in their 3000 at Prickly Pear.

Obviously, Sat was an off night.

Ali Cragg is agent AND coach for the group. Amy isn't retired yet won't be joining this group. Some of the things he said to Gault were rather curious. I'll be surprised if they outperform ZAP.

There are so many coaches who have spent years learning their craft and developing athletes and here comes a guy with zero coaching background who once ran fast and gets handed a pro group.

It may work out. But this shows how unprofessional our sport is. In no other legitimate sport would a major pro team hand the reigns over to someone with only player experience as the head guy.

Not to mention the conflict.

whatwhat wrote:

There are so many coaches who have spent years learning their craft and developing athletes and here comes a guy with zero coaching background who once ran fast and gets handed a pro group.

It may work out. But this shows how unprofessional our sport is. In no other legitimate sport would a major pro team hand the reigns over to someone with only player experience as the head guy.

Not to mention the conflict.

You're crazy. he spent years working with other coaches and learning. This would be the same with Ritz and he has a professional group. Welcome top the real world and I bet this group will be killing it in the years to come.

Uhh... Many sports put inexperienced folk in charge? Happens all the time in the NBA, with some major successes. Check out Steve Nash and New Jersey Nets as the most recent example, but Steve Kerr and Doc Rivers entered the coaching realm with only playing experience. Our sport may be unprofessional, but this surely isn't the reason why.

whatwhat wrote:

There are so many coaches who have spent years learning their craft and developing athletes and here comes a guy with zero coaching background who once ran fast and gets handed a pro group.

It may work out. But this shows how unprofessional our sport is. In no other legitimate sport would a major pro team hand the reigns over to someone with only player experience as the head guy.

Not to mention the conflict.

Worked ok for Steve Kerr and Larry Bird...

He got kicked out of Mammoth for creating controversy. Terrence sent him packing.

He also talked crap about the coaching Amy received when training with Kim Smith.

He's been around, but not sure he's been learning from the right people.

McDonnell and Schumacher kick the tar out of a large group of very talented, young athletes. Getting results using that is not particularly special.

Ray Treacy absolutely knows what he's doing and knows how to develop athletes, but it doesn't sound like Cragg took too much from his second-hand experience in Providence.

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He's been around, but not sure he's been learning from the right people.

McDonnell and Schumacher kick the tar out of a large group of very talented, young athletes. Getting results using that is not particularly special.

Ray Treacy absolutely knows what he's doing and knows how to develop athletes, but it doesn't sound like Cragg took too much from his second-hand experience in Providence.

Right, customizing training isn't the strong suit of those first two mentors. On top of that Keith Kelly, Mark Carroll, and the other Providence alumni from Ireland wouldn't have been all that tight with paper Irish athlete Ali Cragg.

sprinter shoes wrote:

Is Alistair really doing the. coaching? If so, this group will hate each other within months.

What makes you say that?

NIKENP wrote:

You're crazy. he spent years working with other coaches and learning. This would be the same with Ritz and he has a professional group. Welcome top the real world and I bet this group will be killing it in the years to come.

I think you only have to look at the initial results from both groups to see who was thinking critically during their respective experiences with different coaches.

whatwhat wrote:

There are so many coaches who have spent years learning their craft and developing athletes and here comes a guy with zero coaching background who once ran fast and gets handed a pro group.

It may work out. But this shows how unprofessional our sport is. In no other legitimate sport would a major pro team hand the reigns over to someone with only player experience as the head guy.

Not to mention the conflict.

He’s been with Schumacher since 2014 or so...Mahon before that...McDonnell for 8 years before that...

Maybe give them some time

NIKENP wrote:

whatwhat wrote:

There are so many coaches who have spent years learning their craft and developing athletes and here comes a guy with zero coaching background who once ran fast and gets handed a pro group.

It may work out. But this shows how unprofessional our sport is. In no other legitimate sport would a major pro team hand the reigns over to someone with only player experience as the head guy.

Not to mention the conflict.

You're crazy. he spent years working with other coaches and learning. This would be the same with Ritz and he has a professional group. Welcome top the real world and I bet this group will be killing it in the years to come.

Ritz isn't a completely fair comparison. He had been coaching a small group of athletes, including Parker Stinson for his breakthrough 2:10 in Chicago and AR 25k, for over a year before he was brought in to coach the ON group. So he had at least demonstrated some coaching capability before being handed the reins to a pro group.

Why do you guys call them "training groups"? They're track clubs.

malmo wrote:

Why do you guys call them "training groups"? They're track clubs.

I’d assume because it’s a group of people that train together under the same coach