Jorgensen haters go home devastated

Nah they are in mom’s basement devastated.

The shoes?

tri people wrote:

15:08. Olympic standard. Big PR.

That was her one and done. Bet you $1 she ends up injured and will be out for the next 6 weeks.

Devastated? She left a sport where she was #1 in the world and just proved (as she has done many times so far) she’s not even top 5 in her country at her new sport.

Awesome comeback after her last 10k! Really excited to see if she can keep it up. A lot of people were saying she should quit after that 10k, but obviously she and Jerry knew the fitness was there, it just wasn't her day on race day.

While I agree this is a better performance than we’ve seen from Gwen before, does it make a difference? 15:08 is not nearly as competitive as it once was. There are 5 women on BTC alone who have broken 15 and two more in the race tonight. 15:08 isn’t enough to get it done anymore, especially for someone like Gwen who lacks any sort of a kick

wanna race wrote:

While I agree this is a better performance than we’ve seen from Gwen before, does it make a difference? 15:08 is not nearly as competitive as it once was. There are 5 women on BTC alone who have broken 15 and two more in the race tonight. 15:08 isn’t enough to get it done anymore, especially for someone like Gwen who lacks any sort of a kick

+1

It's a 2second PR. Not only that but she has 2x team mates who have gone sub14:30. Yes she hit some trivial standard but will she get into the Olympic team? Would she be competitive on that stage? Is 15:08 going to do anything vs. Houlihan, Hassan, Obiri, Gidey, etc etc

Even if she managed to somehow be put into an Olympic team, I'd be terrified for the inconsistency at which she performs in races.

Remember when she had that amazing indoor 5K just a few months after she delivered in February 2018? She ran 15:15. Indoor. After giving birth.

After 3 YEARS of dedicated running, she runs 8 seconds faster on a fast outdoor track. And her critics are devastated. Right.

OK so I have nothing against this Jorgensen woman and I applaud her for her diligence. However she is 2 weeks older than Galen Rupp. She will be 35 next month and she is now running a 5000m race in a time which would be competitive on the world stage if she could double it and run 30:16. She simply is not good enough to be a factor. This is not a criticism but simply a fact.

Hater.

Sad,

Nice to see her knock out the standard! (that's all you really have to say here)

Bigger runs up front for Sisson, Buchalski, and Kilati.

Buchalski has been crushing in a lot of TAS videos. Seems to have decent speed too. Was able to close in 68. Didn't fall back as much as it seemed when Sisson made her initial move.

NERunner0053 wrote:

Nice to see her knock out the standard! (that's all you really have to say here)

Bigger runs up front for Sisson, Buchalski, and Kilati.

Buchalski has been crushing in a lot of TAS videos. Seems to have decent speed too. Was able to close in 68. Didn't fall back as much as it seemed when Sisson made her initial move.

Yep and worse runs from Molly Huddle, Kellyn Taylor (recent PB 31:15), Kim Conley (15:05 PB), and Danielle Shanahan (recent PB 31:22). So it's pretty clear that she is, either, way better at the 5km than 10km or she is currently capable of a 31:20, again not that competitive but still decent enough to make the olympic team in most years (just not this year).

tri people wrote:

15:08. Olympic standard. Big PR.

Uh no. This is more evidence she isn’t remotely competitive as a distance runner. Awful thread

Her time is something like 337th on the all time list.

https://www.worldathletics.org/records/all-time-toplists/middlelong/5000-metres/outdoor/women/senior?page=4

8 American women since 6/3/2020 have run faster than her. A national class runner just like Ben True said in an earlier podcast.

Gwen simply has no power or speed, and unless she starts working on building more power and strength, she'll never be anything but decent, never great.

Gwen can't put on muscle at this point of her career and age.

HuskyXC wrote:

Gwen simply has no power or speed, and unless she starts working on building more power and strength, she'll never be anything but decent, never great.

It has nothing to do with her training. She just doesn't have the natural ability required to be a world class distance runner. It's not a criticism and she has every right to compete in the 5/10K.

My proposed definitions:

Regionally competitive (“a really good club runner”): a runner who is striving to hit the national championship qualifying standards but if they make it has very little shot at making the finals

Nationally competitive: a runner who hits NC qualifying standards and has a shot to make the finals, but won’t be competing for a spot on the national team at a major international championship

Internationally competitive: a runner who is competitive enough at national championships (or in whatever races/meets are part of the selection criteria) that they represent their country internationally, but primarily in second-tier championships (Pan Ams, NACACS, World Champs Half Marathon or Marathon, etc). If they were to eke their way into the Olympics or Outdoor WCs, would likely not even make (or, depending on the event, be competitive in) the semis and has basically no shot at the finals.

Globally competitive: a runner who usually makes their national team for major global championships (World Outdoors, Olympics) and has a good at making the finals and an outside shot at medaling. If they compete in second-tier championships (Area Champs, World Indoor) they make the finals and are a medal favorite, and may win a title.

Global star: It is barely in doubt that they will make their national team or that they will make the finals at the major global championships, and they are among the favorites to medal. If they compete in a second-tier championship, they’re a clear medal favorite and probably the championship favorite.

Global superstar: A medal favorite at major global championships and a championship favorite if they ever compete in a second-tier championship. Likely an all-time great in their country.

Global all-time great: A multi-time medalist and/or champion at major international championships, posting performances above the best of their era. A many-time national champion, and also a many-time second-tier champion if they competed at the level frequently.

Gwen seems to be, by virtue of hitting the Olympic standard, an internationally competitive runner. Although I guess you could make the argument that since through a combination of US depth and her priorities, she hasn’t represented the US internationally, even in second-tier championships, so she could be a higher-end national class runner.

She set her bar too high.