I don’t care if I get hate for this, but the tons and tons and TONS of fast performances lately are mainly due to one thing: Nike super shoes. I’m not saying we should ban them, far from it I actually race in them too and they’re fantastic. But times that would have previously been shocking, are just not that exciting anymore.
simply adjust to a new due to new shoes, like going from cinders to modern tracks.
KB would have run 12:31.29...
Meh. They might help a bit, but shouldn't be as controversial as road shoes.
Take ten 2:10 marathoners circa 2016 and give five of them Next% or equivalent and the other five keep their old shoe. The Next%ers are gonna dominate.
But tonight you saw Ajee in old Avantis demolish a bunch of women wearing Dragonflies. Take Kate Grace, she ran less than a tenth below 2:03. Did really get a spike benefit? She hasn't raced below 2:04 once in 20 races/8 years. Timothy Cheruiyot has been rocking them since 2019 but he is yet to PR.
Maybe they matter more in the longer track races, but again perspective compared to the shoe is necessary. **Of the fastest 10 marathon times in history, 9 of them were run between April 2019 and December 2020.** That's nuts.
Yet despite Nike having their athletes in the spikes most of 2019 and NB getting their spikes out late 2019/2020, how are the top 10 all time lists going for the 5000/10000??? They've been totally rewritten I assume given by the reactions??
1 of the the top 10 and 4 of top 30 in the 5000m, 1/10 and **1/30** in the 10000m. For the women it is worse - 1/10 and 4/30 for the 5000m, 1/10 and 1/30 for the 10000m. The advantage conferred by the spikes seems to be an order of magnitude lower than that offered by the shoes.
For real, delete Gidey and Cheptegei and this is a null conversation where the only mid d/long d track record broken recently is by Tseguy not in super spikes.
Again, spikes could be helping, but I think people are losing perspective vis a vis the mess that was road shoes.
TEXAS Sized Times wrote:
Meh. They might help a bit, but shouldn't be as controversial as road shoes.
Take ten 2:10 marathoners circa 2016 and give five of them Next% or equivalent and the other five keep their old shoe. The Next%ers are gonna dominate.
But tonight you saw Ajee in old Avantis demolish a bunch of women wearing Dragonflies. Take Kate Grace, she ran less than a tenth below 2:03. Did really get a spike benefit? She hasn't raced below 2:04 once in 20 races/8 years. Timothy Cheruiyot has been rocking them since 2019 but he is yet to PR.
Maybe they matter more in the longer track races, but again perspective compared to the shoe is necessary. **Of the fastest 10 marathon times in history, 9 of them were run between April 2019 and December 2020.** That's nuts.
Yet despite Nike having their athletes in the spikes most of 2019 and NB getting their spikes out late 2019/2020, how are the top 10 all time lists going for the 5000/10000??? They've been totally rewritten I assume given by the reactions??
1 of the the top 10 and 4 of top 30 in the 5000m, 1/10 and **1/30** in the 10000m. For the women it is worse - 1/10 and 4/30 for the 5000m, 1/10 and 1/30 for the 10000m. The advantage conferred by the spikes seems to be an order of magnitude lower than that offered by the shoes.
For real, delete Gidey and Cheptegei and this is a null conversation where the only mid d/long d track record broken recently is by Tseguy not in super spikes.
Again, spikes could be helping, but I think people are losing perspective vis a vis the mess that was road shoes.
Sorry miscounted, 6/10 top men's time between Apr2019 and dec2020, but 9 out of 10 in next gen shoes.
Or is it they are actually racing these races from the get go not some half arsed jog and kick. The more practices you get the better you become