I’m probably not very objective as an Australian, but:
Stewart McSweyn, Ollie Hoare, Matt Ramsden are already all world class and in form.
For team GB:
Josh Kerr, Jake Wightman, Charlie Grice could all take the top spot if they raced at the US trials.
I just can’t see the depth to stack up against these groups on the US side?
Plus James West for GBR and Charlie Hunter for AUS
Chris OHare ran 3:32.11 as recently as 2018, and Gourley is decent as well
forget the 1500 tho, Great Britain's 800m depth is INCREDIBLE.
Sorting the World Athletics results, there are (since 1/1/2018):
- 7 1:44 runners (6 pure 800 guys)
- 6 sub-1:47 guys just born in the 2000s
- 19 total sub-1:47 runners
For comparison, the US has 6 1:44 runners, 0 guys born after 2000, and 26 total sub-1:47 runners. These are all outdoor stats. US 800 running is doing well for sure at the top level, but the UK is doing well to build a stable of young talents.
But Brazier and Teare will beat all of them and that is all that really matters.
Brazier won the weakest WCs ever. Won't win anything again.
Teare won't go under 3:30.5. I'll bet on it.
Ioway wrote:
But Brazier and Teare will beat all of them and that is all that really matters.
I'll grant you Brazier probably, although Hoppel's recent form suggests that's not a done deal.
You seriously think Teare beats all of these names?
Teare can run 3:33 and 12:55. Hocker can run 3:30 and 13:00.
Will they get there? maybe... but these days we seem to do a better job coaching up our young talent
Looks like my opinion isn't a very controversial one? Thought I might stir up a bit more patriotic sentiment from our American friends? :-)
DeeksQuarters wrote:
I’m probably not very objective as an Australian, but:
Stewart McSweyn, Ollie Hoare, Matt Ramsden are already all world class and in form.
For team GB:
Josh Kerr, Jake Wightman, Charlie Grice could all take the top spot if they raced at the US trials.
I just can’t see the depth to stack up against these groups on the US side?
I agree with your assessment. Add guys like Gourley, West, and O’Hare for GB and Gregson and Matthews for Australia and it’s an open and shut case.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
DeeksQuarters wrote:
I’m probably not very objective as an Australian, but:
Stewart McSweyn, Ollie Hoare, Matt Ramsden are already all world class and in form.
For team GB:
Josh Kerr, Jake Wightman, Charlie Grice could all take the top spot if they raced at the US trials.
I just can’t see the depth to stack up against these groups on the US side?
I agree with your assessment. Add guys like Gourley, West, and O’Hare for GB and Gregson and Matthews for Australia and it’s an open and shut case.
Can't believe I didn't add Luke Matthews! Also Jordan Williamsz should be in the conversation from the Australian side. Someone is likely to be in 3:33/3:34 shape and not make the team - unheard of!
jabouko wrote:
Teare can run 3:33 and 12:55. Hocker can run 3:30 and 13:00.
Will they get there? maybe... but these days we seem to do a better job coaching up our young talent
Teare’s 3:50.39 indoors is the equivalent of a 3:33.3. You’ve got to allow for the possibility that he’ll improve in that event beyond 21 years of age, but otherwise your assessment of their talents seems fair.
Ioway wrote:
But Brazier and Teare will beat all of them and that is all that really matters.
I’m calling Hoppel over Brazier, but I guess your point still stands. Teare will not be on the U.S. 1500 team this summer, let alone beating guys like Wightman and McSweyn...
Teare is going to finish 3rd in the trials and 3rd at the Olympics.
DeeksQuarters wrote: Someone is likely to be in 3:33/3:34 shape and not make the team - unheard of!
Tell that to Charlie Grice in 2019. Ran 3:30 in Monaco and finished 4th at the British trials.
Ioway wrote:
Teare is going to finish 3rd in the trials and 3rd at the Olympics.
Lol. I’m in Iowa, you’re in Iowa. Care to make it interesting?
John Wesley Harding wrote:
DeeksQuarters wrote: Someone is likely to be in 3:33/3:34 shape and not make the team - unheard of!
Tell that to Charlie Grice in 2019. Ran 3:30 in Monaco and finished 4th at the British trials.
Sorry I should have clarified, that’s a fairly unique scenario on the Australian side, the GB teams have had depth for some years
Its called doping.Theyre all on various drugs,and they need to take them so they can compete with the drug assisted africans.Some of the british 800 runners look anything but natural.I can tell straight away from looking at them that theyre on chemical cocktails.Theres so many of them,which is a sure fire sign of drug use.
Sure, his 3:50.39 indoors may be equiv to a 3:33, but he may not get the chance to run a faster time.
Maybe he will throw down a 3:32 - Bekele's best - and thats it, and focus more on the 5000m in the future.
In the short term, I think he, Hocker, Hunter, West, and Brown can put together a special outdoor season.
jeff tallon wrote:
Its called doping.Theyre all on various drugs,and they need to take them so they can compete with the drug assisted africans.Some of the british 800 runners look anything but natural.I can tell straight away from looking at them that theyre on chemical cocktails.Theres so many of them,which is a sure fire sign of drug use.
No, they are thrivng again because for 30 years they were competing against doped to the max Africans, and now at last they know it's something approaching a level playing field again.
You diminish the reality of East African doping by your constant 'everybody dopes' nonsense.
Btw, are you really saying the Brits are doping but Brazier, Hoppel etc. are clean? Here was me thinking that the biggest doping scandal of recent years involved an American company (Nike) run by an American coach and running legend (Al Sal), on American soil (Oregon). The same outfit that Brazier joined AFTER Mo had been forced to part from due to outrage by the UK media (who played a huge role in exposing NOP).
But it was all because of British teeth.
On the Aus side you’re also forgetting people like Riseley, Rory Hunter, Jack Antsy, Cameron Griffith and Adam Fogg and on the GB side people like Josh Lay and Piers Copeland. I’m not saying any of them have a realistic chance to make the teams but it adds to the already significant depth!!
Trackfan55 wrote:
On the Aus side you’re also forgetting people like Riseley, Rory Hunter, Jack Antsy, Cameron Griffith and Adam Fogg and on the GB side people like Josh Lay and Piers Copeland. I’m not saying any of them have a realistic chance to make the teams but it adds to the already significant depth!!
True! I hear Jeff Riseley is focusing on the 800, but that doesn't mean he couldn't give the 1500 a scare for sure. Adam Fogg is one of those names that will be right up there for the Paris Games selection I think?
GB has so many juniors coming through in both 800/1500 that one or two might really breakthrough in 2021, and I'm not just talking about Max Burgin. Also the fact that they didn't get to run much last year if at all, or this winter so we really don't know how they have progressed.
However, Grice, Wightman, and Kerr look like a lock on the 1500 places if they all run a good race in the trials. In the 800 it's a bit more open with Daniel Rowden and Elliott Giles you'd think both a shoe in, but the 3rd place up for grabs. If Max Burgin progresses as he has for the last few seasons, then obviously he should make the team.