What did you all think of tonight's show?
It featured interview with Cain, the Gouchers and Dorian Ulrey. If you missed it, you can watch it on HBO Max.
The Cain and Goucher footage will make a powerful impact to those unfamiliar with the story but to us it seemed like the new info came from Dorian Ulrey.
https://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/all-episodes
Here is some of the Ulrey clip:
https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/1354300514524164096
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and the official trailer.
Didn’t really learn anything new. The past 12 months on planet earth have sort of put everything in perspective for me personally. But for Cain being allegedly mistreated, this stuff is from nine + years ago. Just seems like we’re going around in circles now. USADA made their case, found Salazar skirted the rules, but found the athletes to be innocent. Salazar now doing the time. I didn’t even know the show was going to air. Just happened to be up. If the remote wasn’t out of arms reach I may have changed the channel and I loved for this stuff a few years ago.
I think most people who have followed NOP have moved on , years ago.
Dorian should ask for his money back. All those performance enhancing drugs he was forced to take and his performance went backwards when he joined NOP.
2007 3:41.77 4 Des Moines IA 26 May
2008 3:41.59 2 Lincoln NE 31 May
2009 3:35.23 12 Roma 10 Jul
2010 3:47.53 14 New York NY 12 Jun
2011 3:37.68 3 Lignano Sabbiadoro 19 Jul
2012 3:37.69 7rB Eagle Rock CA 18 May
2014 3:38.73 2 Indianapolis IN 15 Jun
2015 3:38.40 8 Greenville SC 30 May
2016 3:38.34 3 Portland OR 12 Jun
Why don't we have the same love for the East German athletes that were forced to take drugs as these former NOP athletes? No one is asking for their results to be removed, even after they admit that they were cheating.
There seems to be alot of fear behind this as in people are scared to really make a point due to the power of the financial backers of it all !
"Ulrey says he was ordered by Alberto Salazar to regularly consume a cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs."
Um, what? This is explosive. To my knowledge, no former NOPer has ever confessed to anything like this. Did the reporter explain what the "cocktail" of PEDs included? Presumably "PEDs" means "banned drugs" and not just garden-variety AlSal supplements like TestoBoost and the like.
anacondarunner wrote:
"Ulrey says he was ordered by Alberto Salazar to regularly consume a cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs."
Um, what? This is explosive. To my knowledge, no former NOPer has ever confessed to anything like this. Did the reporter explain what the "cocktail" of PEDs included? Presumably "PEDs" means "banned drugs" and not just garden-variety AlSal supplements like TestoBoost and the like.
This couldn't be more vague. I am just minutes now from whipping up a 'cocktail' of PEDs. It will contains some BCAAs and caffeine. Nothing to see here. Let's move on as suggested.
kmaclam wrote:
anacondarunner wrote:
"Ulrey says he was ordered by Alberto Salazar to regularly consume a cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs."
Um, what? This is explosive. To my knowledge, no former NOPer has ever confessed to anything like this. Did the reporter explain what the "cocktail" of PEDs included? Presumably "PEDs" means "banned drugs" and not just garden-variety AlSal supplements like TestoBoost and the like.
This couldn't be more vague. I am just minutes now from whipping up a 'cocktail' of PEDs. It will contains some BCAAs and caffeine. Nothing to see here. Let's move on as suggested.
When sports reporters use the term PEDs, they mean banned drugs, not legal supplements you can buy at GNC that may or may not marginally improve athletic performance.
Don't have HBO is there a way to watch this?
coldhardcash2 wrote:
Don't have HBO is there a way to watch this?
Same. Rojo/wejo please post your login info for us poor people to use
It’s crazy to me at this point how hard these athletes, who admittedly doped in some way, shape or form, are trying to stay relevant and are trying to play the angle that they are the victims when they’ve all said they knew what they were doing with AlSal was sketch and illegal. They are doping cheats and nothing more. They can pretend to be victims, but they are no more victims than the Russian athletes forced into state sponsored doping(who might actually be victims because Russia can yeet pretty much anyone with impunity).
anacondarunner wrote:
When sports reporters use the term PEDs, they mean banned drugs, not legal supplements you can buy at GNC that may or may not marginally improve athletic performance.
I am no NOP fan, believe me, but I have to politely disagree with you here. I have found that reporters are much more likely to go with the sensational angle whenever possible. This goes for all reporting, not just sports. Journalistic language - and overall integrity - has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. A lot of it is a reaction to having to compete with the no-holds-barred environment of Twitter.
Also want to point out that there are plenty of PEDs at GNC.
PaperAthletes wrote:
It’s crazy to me at this point how hard these athletes, who admittedly doped in some way, shape or form, are trying to stay relevant and are trying to play the angle that they are the victims when they’ve all said they knew what they were doing with AlSal was sketch and illegal. They are doping cheats and nothing more. They can pretend to be victims, but they are no more victims than the Russian athletes forced into state sponsored doping(who might actually be victims because Russia can yeet pretty much anyone with impunity).
+1
Ulrey was a flash in the pan. If he was running 3:38 with a ped regimen, that proves the point. He came off as gloating and high and mighty in the interview (bizarrely gleeful), when in essence if his claims are true, he is nothing more than a willing drug cheat.
Mary Cain grew into her body and has taken on the persecutorial attitude of so many in her age group at current. Sad to see.
Yeah, I never was a fan of NOP but this all seems like piling-on in an attempt to clear their names and/or stay relevant. Whatever, the world has moved on and it's just celebrity tabloid watchers still paying attention. While these people are still gnashing their teeth over a coach and a group that are long gone from the landscape, plenty others are doing it now while evading scrutiny. Life moves fast and this is a moving target, fixating on the past means you're getting left behind.
Every NOPer is a doper.
NOPers gonna dope wrote:
Every NOPer is a doper.
And yet we are led to believe that most of the NOP runners were never working with Alberto they were all with Julian. And Julian who was Alberto's assistant knew nothing and learned nothing from his boss
If Ulrey was doping without Salazar this is a very smart move by him. Just think, now if he gets caught he can blame it on someone who people would have no problem with giving the blame to. No one wants to defend Salazar so even if Ulrey is lying no one will care to find out. Very smart.
Whatever....
In September, 2023, Alberto's 4 year ban is over and he'll be back to coaching.
Depending on whether the treatment of female athletes controversy blows over - there is no indication Nike won't let him back into its coaching circle. They never removed his name from one of its buildings on the campus.
I didn't watch it, nor will I. Given that the Oregon Project no longer exists, and Saladbar has been banned, its irrelevant at this point. And...............No one is forced to take illegal PED's. Don't want to? Walk away. Simple as that.