2) Pappas is the one who put Cain in touch with the NY Times for the expose on Salazar.
You can read the lengthy article by David Alm on their friendship and struggles below. I enjoyed it, particularly the part of how Mary reveals she loved how Alexi asked her about what she wanted to major in, what her love life was like, etc. when everyone else only asked her about running.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a35120434/mary-cain-alexi-pappas-friendship/
Obligatory Theo Von monologue:
Man, I try not to be filled with hate,
BUT,
both of these women already have a reputation for seeking attention, which they haven’t been able to earn through recent running success.
Furthermore, Runner’s World is just looking for a buck, and they know this story will get people talking. We’re proving that right now.
Finally, complaining about the Greyhound bus just reeks of entitlement. I understand that Golden Boy Galen was probably afforded plane travel by comparison, but Cain believes everyone on that Greyhound was beneath her. You better take your diamond ring—you better pawn it babe!
Man, I try not to be filled with hate,
BUT,
both of these women already have a reputation for seeking attention, which they haven’t been able to earn through recent running success.
Furthermore, Runner’s World is just looking for a buck, and they know this story will get people talking. We’re proving that right now.
Finally, complaining about the Greyhound bus just reeks of entitlement. I understand that Golden Boy Galen was probably afforded plane travel by comparison, but Cain believes everyone on that Greyhound was beneath her. You better take your diamond ring—you better pawn it babe![/quote]
OKAY, having skimmed the article it looks like Cain does not complain about the bus travel.
So I’ll eat some of my words—that’s the risk you run when you’re filled with hate.
She didn't complain about it but it's still ridiculous. There must have been at least 100 people on the Nike campus that could have been recruited to give her a ride and if not, Nike could have afforded a limo service or at least a rental car.
Who are the men (runners) who seek attention similarly? Or do only women seek attention? I really don’t know.
rojo wrote:
2) Pappas is the one who put Cain in touch with the NY Times for the expose on Salazar.
You can read the lengthy article by David Alm on their friendship and struggles below. I enjoyed it, particularly the part of how Mary reveals she loved how Alexi asked her about what she wanted to major in, what her love life was like, etc. when everyone else only asked her about running.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a35120434/mary-cain-alexi-pappas-friendship/
I think I just got sick in my mouth ....
I love the guy, but Nick Symmonds? Any of the Youtubers? Though if you told Nick his butt looked big, he would probably take it as a compliment.
jamin wrote:
Obligatory Theo Von monologue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTtd1SMZ0cw
How much of your life is dedicated to consuming crappy content like this?
Damn that article was long.
Regarding greyhound, if coach bales, you bale. It's a red flag, maybe she was not the current priority. You can't rest properly on one of those, and all the walking around to find taxis ect. Anyhow, we will never get Alberto's /Nike side. ..
Seems like the girls have a nice friendship.
health is the main thing wrote:
Who are the men (runners) who seek attention similarly? Or do only women seek attention? I really don’t know.
The athlete special
That grumpy kid with the potty mouth that hangs out with Teare
realTalkin wrote:
Damn that article was long.
Regarding greyhound, if coach bales, you bale. It's a red flag, maybe she was not the current priority. You can't rest properly on one of those, and all the walking around to find taxis ect. Anyhow, we will never get Alberto's /Nike side. ..
Seems like the girls have a nice friendship.
Aren’t we talking about a 2 hr. ride from Portland to Eugene, probably days prior to her race? I remember reading about the Eritrean team taking a red eye flight and sleeping on the floor of the airport before performing well at World XC a few years ago.
I’ve taken a 50 hr. Greyhound trip, and I admit that is exhausting.
I'm gna pour some cold water on this.
First of all, am I the biggest Pappas fan? No, not really. I'm not a fan of her taking a short cut to be able to call herself an Olympian. I do think she can come across as entitled at times. I also think that she, like MANY on screen performers, is filling a void where she lacked attention. But this need can easily be traced back to her childhood in losing her mom and being raised by a single dad. It is noted that a lot of on screen performers have endured the same childhood trauma. It appears that their performances are really a desire to perform for the parent that they lost.
I am pretty sure that Alexi is aware of this need in herself. This doesn't make her a bad person. As for Mary, I'm going to be honest. I think her story made a lot of men squirm with discomfort because it challenged their ideas of the female athletic experience (maybe its not puberty that's the problem but forcing women to feel like they should have bodies that are not natural???) but also their own actions and contributions to female athlete's struggles ("are we the baddies?"). So now, you are all trying to paint her as 'attention starved" because you don't want to face the fact that she has a really important story to tell.
Generally speaking, women standing in the spotlight and speaking up is nearly an immediate cause for others to call them 'crazy' 'annoying' or 'attention whores'. No one does this with men who demand attention. No one does this to Craig Engels, or Matt Centrowitz, or Kyle Merber. It's really transparent to be honest.
I don't know how to explain that women have stories and voices other than just to say it.
tldr
inane wrote:
I'm gna pour some cold water on this.
First of all, am I the biggest Pappas fan? No, not really. I'm not a fan of her taking a short cut to be able to call herself an Olympian. I do think she can come across as entitled at times. I also think that she, like MANY on screen performers, is filling a void where she lacked attention. But this need can easily be traced back to her childhood in losing her mom and being raised by a single dad. It is noted that a lot of on screen performers have endured the same childhood trauma. It appears that their performances are really a desire to perform for the parent that they lost.
I am pretty sure that Alexi is aware of this need in herself. This doesn't make her a bad person.
I don’t think anyone’s saying she is. We’re just saying “she can come across as entitled at times” and that “she, like MANY on screen performers, is filling a void where she lacked attention.” I do sympathize for her losing her mom at a young age—that must be incredibly tough.
inane wrote:
As for Mary, I'm going to be honest. I think her story made a lot of men squirm with discomfort because it challenged their ideas of the female athletic experience (maybe its not puberty that's the problem but forcing women to feel like they should have bodies that are not natural???) but also their own actions and contributions to female athlete's struggles ("are we the baddies?"). So now, you are all trying to paint her as 'attention starved" because you don't want to face the fact that she has a really important story to tell.
Eh, it’s alright. It’s not like The Great Gatsby or that time I tried stealing a pie from Perkins in the middle of a bender that ended with me in jail. And I feel like I’ve heard it already.
inane wrote:
Generally speaking, women standing in the spotlight and speaking up is nearly an immediate cause for others to call them 'crazy' 'annoying' or 'attention whores'. No one does this with men who demand attention. No one does this to Craig Engels, or Matt Centrowitz, or Kyle Merber. It's really transparent to be honest.
Matt Centrowitz is an Olympic gold medalist—there’s no valid comparison there. Kyle Merber was probably a bit of an attention whore. Craig Engels was U.S. champ and a WC finalist in 2019, and I don’t feel he “demands attention” beyond fairly normal social media activity and the retro haircut.
inane wrote:
I don't know how to explain that women have stories and voices other than just to say it.
Duh, bro. No argument here.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Man, I try not to be filled with hate,
BUT,
both of these women already have a reputation for seeking attention, which they haven’t been able to earn through recent running success.
Furthermore, Runner’s World is just looking for a buck, and they know this story will get people talking. We’re proving that right now.
Finally, complaining about the Greyhound bus just reeks of entitlement. I understand that Golden Boy Galen was probably afforded plane travel by comparison, but Cain believes everyone on that Greyhound was beneath her. You better take your diamond ring—you better pawn it babe!
OKAY, having skimmed the article it looks like Cain does not complain about the bus travel.
So I’ll eat some of my words—that’s the risk you run when you’re filled with hate.[/quote]
You seem like a really great guy. I hope you do not have daughters.
Luv2Run wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Man, I try not to be filled with hate,
BUT,
both of these women already have a reputation for seeking attention, which they haven’t been able to earn through recent running success.
Furthermore, Runner’s World is just looking for a buck, and they know this story will get people talking. We’re proving that right now.
Finally, complaining about the Greyhound bus just reeks of entitlement. I understand that Golden Boy Galen was probably afforded plane travel by comparison, but Cain believes everyone on that Greyhound was beneath her. You better take your diamond ring—you better pawn it babe!
OKAY, having skimmed the article it looks like Cain does not complain about the bus travel.
So I’ll eat some of my words—that’s the risk you run when you’re filled with hate.
You seem like a really great guy. I hope you do not have daughters.[/quote]
All these people acting like being critical of two women in a singular instance is equal to hating women.
At least I conceded I was filled with hate after criticizing someone on the internet—you did not.
health is the main thing wrote:
Who are the men (runners) who seek attention similarly? Or do only women seek attention? I really don’t know.
Youtube is filled with them. One recently was making fake counterfeit Nike sweaters. It isn't exclusive to distance runners. There is a decent-but-not-great decathlete from U of O who really hams it up for likes and attention.
realTalkin wrote:
Damn that article was long.
Regarding greyhound, if coach bales, you bale. It's a red flag, maybe she was not the current priority. You can't rest properly on one of those, and all the walking around to find taxis ect. Anyhow, we will never get Alberto's /Nike side. ..
Seems like the girls have a nice friendship.
Are we talking about hay? Yeah, it's hard to believe Salazar sent her to a world championship meet only 2 hours away on her own. But it's a 2 hour bus ride and a lot less walking than in an airport. Lots of teams take buses to meets that are a lot further so I don't get the tired thing.
addicted to blue cheese wrote:
A lot of women are predisposed to a victim complex. Always somebody else's fault. This disposition is often passed down from the mother. Adults need to take some responsibility for their wrongdoings. Sure, women like to trust authoritative figures and be told what do, but they are adults and should be responsible. Now I give Mary some leeway for the fact she may not have been an adult when she first met Salazar, but she became one under his continued tutelage. She can't legitimately blame him in full for her failings as a runner. I do wish Mary the best going forward and hope she can learn from this experience. I'm sure she will, she is an intelligent young lady.
Have you ever stopped to think for a second why nobody likes you?