And what would you say is approximately the equivalent for a girl in the same shape? If that makes sense.
The girl in our class who won the 800 in 2019 for state track ran a 2:10. The guy ran a 1:52. Apparently it was really hot that day. The girls at my school say that the conversion is about 20 sec more, which seems consistent with the results, but generally I think 15 sec applies better.
My girl friend says she is in better shape than me. I run a 1:58 and she runs 2:16. If it was 20 sec that would make her fitter than me but 15 sec would make her less fit. We're probably about the same lol but what do you all think. Btw my school has three guys under 2:00 and her team has one girl under 2:15. Generally a stronger guys program than girls though, as we placed higher at States
The conversion depends on if your only looking at the top or if a conversion for any level. For the top it would probably be 17-18 seconds. Top state guy runs 1:50 top girl runs 2:07?
My 4x8 ran 8:01 at our best. I ran sub 2, and two other guys were right at 2. We had like 400 kids in our graduation class.
Yeah that's about right. Depends what state, 2:07 I think is our girl state record. They normally go 2:12 ish. 1:50.18 is our guys state record, again few guys run that. So probably consistent. But how many guys at your school go sub 2
Nice. Congrats on sub 2.
Most I ever had on one team in one year was 8. A unique time in our program's history. We had 2 different relays run 7:48 & 7:55 within a week of each other. Usually I had 3 or 4 minimum under 2;00. Our mid-d roster was filled with kids too slow to be sprinters and too weak to be distance runners. I'd take the leftovers and make 400-800 runners out of them. Top kids hit 48-1:52. Pretty tough group when 2:05 won't make any of the varsity slots in a meet lineup with 7 opportunities. Had some salty JV/9-10 groups though. The distance program really started to take off and our 3200/1600 kids started getting stronger and faster this some of them started getting in on the action when they needed some fast training races to help finish the season off with some speed work on meet days leading up to state qualifying and state meet.
that is impressive, richard
My sophomore year we had one guy run 2:00 flat and one guy run 2:02, I didn’t crack 2:10 that season
My junior year I ran 2:03, 2:02 guy dropped to 1:58 and a 400m guy stepped up and ran 2:00
My senior year I debuted with 1:58, had two teammates run 2:01, and then the season was cancelled. I speculate 3 sub twos would have happened that season tho.
Soph HS: Don't remember exactly, but think it was 2 under 2: 1:53 and 1:57 (something like that). A soph ran sub 2 on a relay split, but ran the 400m rather than the 800 in the district or he would have broken 2.
Junior HS: 4 ran 1;55 or faster. A soph could have run 1:56-57, but ran the 400m at state in 4 x 400m relay. 4 others between 2:00 - 2:05.
Senior HS: Same as junior year. Had another 4 who could have broken 2.
A quick look at the qualifying standards for HS state T&F meets suggest the girls times for 800m are 20-24 seconds slower than for boys 800m.
Here are perhaps two more relevant questions:
How many people at your school who identify as male and are capable of running sub 2:00 actually run track?
How many people at your school who identify as female and are capable of running sub 2:20 actually run track?
At my local high school with an enrollment approaching 3000, running is not a thing and few talented athletes participate in XC and/or T&F. Soccer, Rugby, Lacrosse, and even Water Polo are the sexy sports for the cool kids. Football has been relegated to a second tier sport, and no one cares about XC or T&F.
You're right but since that isn't measurable, I think that actual amount of a guys who broke 2 is better. Because even if you think that the guy who does soccer would break 2, chances are that he wont run an 800 to prove it.
Everyone- include the amount of girls who can break 2:20 & 2:15 as well. Also how your guys and girls 800m runners placed at outdoor States
I always use women's time in seconds * .87 for an 800 conversion.
Thus 2:16 female ~~136 * .87 ~~ 1:58 male
The Mercier table can also help answer your question on equivalence.
https://jmureika.lmu.build/track/Mercier/window7.html
Analyzing "depth" of an event needs to factor in that more boys participate in track than girls.
In High School when I was a sophomore we had 4, including myself, run under 2:00. The other 3 were seniors. We ran 7:48 in the final 4x800 of the year. The remainder of my high school career, I was the only person at my school, and it was not for another 2-3 years after I graduated that we got another person to break 2.
As for comparison purposes I always used the 9 sec per 400 rule.
People like to compare round numbers for example in the 400 a sub 50 for guys vs a sub 60 for girls. However, I believe sub 60 is slightly easier, thus I say sub 50 male ~ sub 59 female.
In the 800 same thing sub 2 is slightly more impressive then sub 2:20 so again a middle ground for me was 2:00 ~ 2:18
2019 Outdoor Results
1st Boy 1:49 - 1st Girl 2:01 = 12 seconds
50th Boy 1:52 - 50th Girl 2:09 = 17 seconds
200th Boy 1:54 - 200th Girl 2:13 = 19 seconds
One guy at 1:54, one guy at 1:56, 2 at 1:59. No girls running anything comparable.
think my senior year we had 5 guys who I know for a fact ran sub 2 in the 800 (1:54/1:55/1:56/158/1:59) and there was 1 guy who was injured who definitely would have (ran 2:00 indoors that year before injury) and then 2 others who might have given it a shot but one was also injured and the other just never ran the 800 because we had plenty of depth in that distance so he only ever did mile/2 mile and if he did run the 800 probably would have hit 1:58/1:59
as for comparison to girls id say a 2:18 is right around 2:00 equivalent. some people like to equate it to 2:20 because its a nice round number but that always seemed to be a much easier benchmark as more girls would hit that in any given meet. 17-18 seconds is about right imo.
predictors wrote:
2019 Outdoor Results
1st Boy 1:49 - 1st Girl 2:01 = 12 seconds
50th Boy 1:52 - 50th Girl 2:09 = 17 seconds
200th Boy 1:54 - 200th Girl 2:13 = 19 seconds
Damn. What states results are you looking at lol. 1:54 for the 200th boy???
Never mind. Athletic.net overall rankings right. https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/Division/Event.aspx?DivID=98249&Event=4 Yeah?