Pre finished4th. You've never watched the race?
PRE was 4th.
Ran for Gold.
ndeisn wrote:
PRE was 4th.
Ran for Gold.
And drove into a rock. Most overrated drunk runner ever.
Has Jakob ever driven drunk and endangered everyone else's lives on the road? I have seen the aftermath of a drunk driving accident with a little boy cut in half dying and the drunk driver unharmed. Anyone who drives drunk deserves to crash and die- natural selection. Sounds harsh, but I will never get those images out of my head from along I-15. I wish all cars had interlock devices, to be honest
Jacob easily because Pre was a huge simp. If you don't believe me, watch Prefontaine or Beyond Limits.
Pre finishing 4th
Nothing like starting a thread with an incorrect premise in the first place.
Excellent job you dolt.
Is this Jamin or Rojo?
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Pre finished4th. You've never watched the race?
They all would have been outkicked by Yifter. Fifth if Yifter.
It was either poor coaching by Dellinger or Pre's hard headedness that put him in 4th. Back then, people weren't as privy to as much information as now.
Rojo would say Pre's run was more impressive, because the faster times in the 2019 world championships were not because there are more faster runners today, but only because the technology today lets them run faster.
How about adding me? I did it the best!!!
I'll actually accept the premise of the post because this seems like a fun and close argument.
I think the right answer is that Pre did it better. He did it at the Olympics rather than the World Championships. He also had been pushing the pace and frontrunning for most of the race, and it's exactly the tactic he said he would do leading up to the race. He wanted to make it an "all guts race," and he did, and he lost. Classic.
Jakob ran safely and out of trouble for most of his race. He also clipped Mo Ahmed multiple times which makes his race seem "less pure" or "less sporting". He didn't front run like Pre did. He simply made his move too soon and paid for it. He should have gone at 300, or even 200.
But you need to give credit where credit's due. Jakob's collapse at the line, in high definition, was glorious. The only possible thing that could have made it better was vomiting on the track. That micro-level moment beats Pre's, just the macro-level view does not.
You also have to give it up for Jakob for delivering an angry and honest post-event interview where he was asked "what are you most disappointed with?" and all he said was "Lose. Quite tragic." He later said things like "I didn't come here to come last or lose."
nothing like fading wrote:
https://youtu.be/8CpFewYp2dUhttps://youtu.be/_iKt8_pkHgY
I don't know. But who had a better race between Gatlin in 2004 in the Olympics in the 100 and Trey Hardee in the decathlon in 2016? Which one " did it better"?
Pre wouldn't care that you knocked him, because who are you?
Pre was the best, and if Viren didn't dope, Pre wins 5k even with Bowerman's racing strategy, which didn't work well for Pre but did work well for Dellinger in '64.
Pre pushed so hard to pass Viren on the backstretch that he went past the effort sustainable, even for Pre.
However, I agree with Bowerman that if Pre would have stayed behind until the 200m and then kicked, Pre wins the gold against cheating Viren.
Do you think Jacob and the others in that race were not on PEDs?
So race a tacticly bad race and die young, you are the best? Was he fun to watch and good for the sport.....the best.
Bob schul country wrote:
So race a tacticly bad race and die young, you are the best? Was he fun to watch and good for the sport.....the best.
He ran to win.
That was what made him great, like Zatopek and Clarke.
My tactical analysis is 20/20 hindsight, to the effect that Pre still wins gold if he waited till the last 200m, but that is not what made Pre special.
Viren cheated, so Pres' running to win ended up as running to fade at the end.
I have raced people cheating, and either give up on winning or push to the brink.
beachbum wrote:
Pre wouldn't care that you knocked him, because who are you?
Pre was the best, and if Viren didn't dope, Pre wins 5k even with Bowerman's racing strategy, which didn't work well for Pre but did work well for Dellinger in '64.
Pre pushed so hard to pass Viren on the backstretch that he went past the effort sustainable, even for Pre.
However, I agree with Bowerman that if Pre would have stayed behind until the 200m and then kicked, Pre wins the gold against cheating Viren.
Do you think Jacob and the others in that race were not on PEDs?
No, Virin was better and there was no way Pre would have beaten him. Whether Pre was trying to pass him or not, Virin was putting him under some serious stress. However, if Pre had not chased after Virin and Gammoudi, the Bronze was a possibility.
I believe Virin was in about 13:10/27:20 shape for those Olympics and could have won with any strategy besides a last lap kick off of a slow pace.
Pre.
He went for the win and left nothing behind. All or nothing.
Why all this talk of Pre potentially winning? He was completely outclassed in a race that was not very deep, with several absentees, no Africans. Heck, Stewart by his own admission ran a poor race and STILL beat Pre. Pre hardly improved later, and would have been mauled in the Montreal 5K. Front running...to LR it's "running to win" unlike any other tactics), to anyone else it's called....stupid. Sure, he was a character, but don't let that blind you to his limitations.
Who did it better? Depends what you mean. Pre was more influential, and did "it" at a time people actually cared. Jakob is more talented, but too few give a toss these days. Advantage Pre.