Gotta go with Ryan. He CRUSHED the last half of that race, beating Dathan. Galen beat a bunch of people racing for 2nd.
Gotta go with Ryan. He CRUSHED the last half of that race, beating Dathan. Galen beat a bunch of people racing for 2nd.
Hall because Galen trains and races smarter so he realizes the objective is to make the team which is top 3.
new lambo for Christmas wrote:
Hall because Galen trains and races smarter so he realizes the objective is to make the team which is top 3.
If he was "smarter" he'd have in mind the financial incentive to win the trials over placing second.
Hall
new lambo for Christmas wrote:
Hall because Galen trains and races smarter so he realizes the objective is to make the team which is top 3.
First is the course Rupp certified, Second Hall wins. Rupp will be trying win the next race.
This winning the trials is great if you can't win an Olympic medal. I think Hall could have done that but he would have to put all his effort towards it.
All you old people are crazy. Rupp would win every time. Running competition levels have improved over time, Rupp has two olympic medals and has matched Hall's marathon major results. And has run faster on an eligible marathon course. The day Rupp shows up to Houston he'd beat Hall's half American Record too. But Rupp would never do that because he rarely races and only does it when he can make the most money or at some random race in essentially a time trial in the middle of his training.
If Hall gets to wear clownshoes equal to Rupp's then it's not even close
Hall.
2 medals to none wrote:
new lambo for Christmas wrote:
Hall because Galen trains and races smarter so he realizes the objective is to make the team which is top 3.
First is the course Rupp certified, Second Hall wins. Rupp will be trying win the next race.
This winning the trials is great if you can't win an Olympic medal. I think Hall could have done that but he would have to put all his effort towards it.
I feel like you guys aren't getting the thread point. Who would win? Who was better? Stop with this race planning nonsense.
hr measurement wrote:
Hall.
Hall with carbon shoes would annihilate Rupp.
Hall ran 2:06:17 on a legal course and never came close to it again. All his other results besides backwind Boston are 2:08 or slower. Doesn’t even matter if you say he’s a 2:05 guy with vaporflys, put Rupp in a fast Berlin race with pacers and he runs 2:04-2:02 nbd
End of discussion
Dairyland wrote:
Hall ran 2:06:17 on a legal course and never came close to it again. All his other results besides backwind Boston are 2:08 or slower. Doesn’t even matter if you say he’s a 2:05 guy with vaporflys, put Rupp in a fast Berlin race with pacers and he runs 2:04-2:02 nbd
End of discussion
Are you on crack? He ran 2:05 with a lil wind in his old ass shoes. Take two-three minutes off his 2:06 legal PR and that's his carbon shoe PR. Rupp has never ran faster than Hall and has always had a huge advantage with shoes. Take current PRs and galen is a few seconds faster but in the clown shoes. Which means hall is actually MINUTES faster.
WinnytheBish wrote:
Gotta go with Ryan. He CRUSHED the last half of that race, beating Dathan. Galen beat a bunch of people racing for 2nd.
Hall had one fast legal race. rupp on a fast corse with pacers could be 2:03, rupp wins, out kicking him the last 5k. even if hall is in pogo shoes. end of thread.
rupp of a berlin course will be 2:02 high, hall had ONE fast race that was legal. Rupps consistently perseveres over hall. rupp wins
Rupp hands down.
What some of you are missing is that prime Galen NEVER ran a marathon and obviously never will. Hall was a better marathoner than Galen primarily because he ran them in his prime. Galen did not. Prime Hall beats a slightly past his prime Galen in a marathon. Galen was better at 10000m than the marathon, mostly because he ran 10000m in his prime.
Galen is getting the AR, I’m rooting for it at least
But hey I think an Olympic medal in the thon is still a good accomplishment, even if he didn’t race a fast set up marathon in his prime, neither did guys like Salazar, Shorter, or Rodgers. They ran their courses like Boston and nyc and ran when it counted at the olympics, which is similar to what Rupp did
Rupp went for Hall's half record, on a flat course, with perfectly setup conditions, running in clown shoes, and he still failed.
It is over.
Hall wins.
Jokerrr wrote:
What some of you are missing is that prime Galen NEVER ran a marathon and obviously never will. Hall was a better marathoner than Galen primarily because he ran them in his prime. Galen did not. Prime Hall beats a slightly past his prime Galen in a marathon. Galen was better at 10000m than the marathon, mostly because he ran 10000m in his prime.
For the purposes of this discussion, we don't care. We are comparing 2008 (I think it was actually late '07) Hall to 2016 Rupp. What Rupp would have done in the 2012 Trials, or 2014 Berlin, or whenever is not the question.
running2begood wrote:
rupp of a berlin course will be 2:02 high, hall had ONE fast race that was legal. Rupps consistently perseveres over hall. rupp wins
I'm actually responding to this post and the one right above it, which is essentially the same point. We know exactly how fast Rupp can run on a pool-table flat course with perfect weather and people to run with. He did so for his PB. He has also run Chicago with pacers, and possibly more importantly, a pack of runners at the front who outlast the pacers. He has run championship style races on comparatively slow courses, like the recent Trials, but he has also run fast, paced races, with cool weather and the shoes. This experiment has been executed. We do not need to speculate about 2:02 or 2:03. He has been in the exact situation where he would have done so if he could.