What the hell. Dr. Fauci admits to the NY Times he's purposely misled us yet again about % needed to get to herd immunity

Greta Tunaberg wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

Thanks Greta.

14% 3rd quarter growth too.

A nation of barely 4 million people and over 30 million sheep.

You are welcome.

Here we have 330 million people and a lot of them behave like sheep.

For sure

Dr. Racket wrote:

Spot on, except I don't think I'd go as far to say "most of it is not worthy of trust." But between the replication crisis and the embarrassing junk journals will publish these days, I'd definitely agree that some changes are needed.

The response and general message from the CDC has never really been consistent from the start. If Fauci misled people "until they were ready to hear the truth" and is deliberately moving goalposts then that just further hurts credibility at a time when we can't afford to lose any. That's what politicians do, not scientists.

I disagree with the "replication crisis." Maybe in social sciences or something but even there. Especially in the physical sciences + biology the "replicaton crisis" is basically just the scientific method.

Discovering truths about the world is hard. You think you've controlled every meaningful variable in your experiment but you haven't. The natural arc of science is continually disproving published work that was thought to be ground truth.

That's not a crisis, that's just progress.

Allen53 wrote:

“Deaths from Covid” are from a specific demographic- pandemics are noted to impact mortality rates of a broad demographic. The only demographic impacted by “Covid” was not merely the elderly but the most fragile of the fragile of the elderly- mainly those who were living in squalid conditions in nursing homes AND received altered and improper treatment which killed them. Virtually all, if not all were poor.

THAT IS NOT A PANDEMIC- quit perpetuating this lie.

By soft selling this lie cover is provided for the crimes that were committed.

A new take. Not only do the elderly's lives not matter. The poor's don't either!

You are starting to sound like the oligarchs themselves. Deep cover operation??

Hey, Listen Up!

You guys badmouthing the Faucci, the hoax pandemic crisis, science, and the Established Order:

You do understand that the deep state monitors public message boards like this, don't you?

In fact, this very discussion may have been created for PROFILING PURPOSES.

And anonymous user names won't save you when the DEEP STATE has tools to track you.

Stand down and stand by, if you know what i mean.

You are being watched.

YES, YOU!

(hint: just let the sheeple babble on for they will find out in the end. The hard way.

I'm changing the title of the thread from "been lying to us" to "purposely misled us". It's Christmas Day and associating Dr. Fauci with the word lie really rubs people the wrong way, including my aunt.

It doesn't change what Robert is saying but appearances are important.

How does Fauci come to light with the Donald as president. Either Fauci is right or the Donald is part of the scam.

Snowflakes Melt in Masks wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Whenever there's a Fauci or Covid thread I know that I'm going to be seeing the pitchforks and lanterns brigade again. Meanwhile America has the highest toll of Covid deaths in the world and still climbing. With all the "experts" here, its easy to see why.

This is true.

About half of our deaths are because democrat governors put covid positive patients into nursing homes.

Not sure how you can "disagree" with the replication crisis. It's pretty broadly accepted as a major issue in the scientific community, especially in social "sciences" and in medicine - I've literally never heard anyone deny it so that's sort of new to me I guess. Some fields are more immune to it, like math, but those fields have their own issues as well with the lowest effort articles showing up in journals.

And it's not just "discovering truths about the world is hard." It's straight up sh!tty work being carried out and published in journals of increasingly lower quality. A lot of people blame "publish or perish" and the fact that there's more people with PhDs churning sh!t out than ever before so you're bound to get more garbage. Having to constantly refute a bunch of low quality garbage isn't progress

You're a real tool rojo.

seattle prattle wrote:

Rojo, I believe you are making a mistake by taking a side in this debate. Owner's of the site should at least create the appearance of impartiality on controversial issues, like this.

But inflammatory threads like this increase the page view count. And you know how important that is.

wejo wrote:

I'm changing the title of the thread from "been lying to us" to "purposely misled us". It's Christmas Day and associating Dr. Fauci with the word lie really rubs people the wrong way, including my aunt.

It doesn't change what Robert is saying but appearances are important.

Why? Fauci is a serial liar. This would take anyone less than ten minutes to research.

He's been lying in the service of Pharma for forty years. This isn't "misleading us" or "mistakes"- what makes Fauci valuable to those he represents is his ability to lie with a straight face and come across as believable. He's a sociopath.

wejo wrote:

I'm changing the title of the thread from "been lying to us" to "purposely misled us". It's Christmas Day and associating Dr. Fauci with the word lie really rubs people the wrong way, including my aunt.

It doesn't change what Robert is saying but appearances are important.

It also doesn’t change the fact that Rojo and his ilk don’t give a sh!t when Trump lies or misleads the American public about this pandemic.

Rank hypocrisy.

Natural immunity is real, and has been real since microbes, plants and animals started co-evolving with viruses some 4 billion years ago. Respiratory-disease viruses will always inhabit human bodies, sure as death and taxes. Mass-injecting garbage cocktails every year is reckless.

WITH CERTAINTY : If natural immunity to respiratory-disease viruses did not exist, then the human species itself would not exist. It is incredible that this needs to be said. Unchecked viral invasion of the body spells certain death. Basic biology.

They did lie. "Next Spanish Flu," they said. At best they exaggerated the severity by 100-200x.

Hahahaha- America's leading "expert" has now reduced the immune system to a conspiracy theory.

"Follow the Science©."

in my opinion wrote:

Allen53, Bad Wigins, Jamin, YMMV and several others start threads daily down playing the virus and not only do you say nothing, you actively allow them to use this platform to spread that misinformation.

I have my phone number up on the internet. If you have a thread that you think should be deleted, you can easily call me. How many other places in the world does that exist? Have you called me? 844-538-7786 ext.3 .

If I see a thread saying Covid is a hoax, I delete it. I'm not going to delete stuff that is people's opinions though.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Not sure how you can "disagree" with the replication crisis. It's pretty broadly accepted as a major issue in the scientific community, especially in social "sciences" and in medicine - I've literally never heard anyone deny it so that's sort of new to me I guess. Some fields are more immune to it, like math, but those fields have their own issues as well with the lowest effort articles showing up in journals.

And it's not just "discovering truths about the world is hard." It's straight up sh!tty work being carried out and published in journals of increasingly lower quality. A lot of people blame "publish or perish" and the fact that there's more people with PhDs churning sh!t out than ever before so you're bound to get more garbage. Having to constantly refute a bunch of low quality garbage isn't progress

I guess I have several issues with this line of reasoning.

1) People claiming replication problems are signs of widespread fraud. You didn't do this but it's widespread and patently false in natural + physical sciences at least. A vast, vast majority of scientists are honest.

2) If you don't "trust but verify" stuff in low tier (and CNS) journals that is on you. This has ALWAYS been the truth.

The whole point is that science is inherently messy, wrong, and always changing. A bunch of congressmen hand wringing about $$$ being wasted on incorrect research totally misses the point. The mistakes ARE the research.

3) Perhaps there is more crap out there in pay-to-play journals but most people in my field look past the actual predatory journals. Evaluating others evidence (and presentation thereof) is an essential scientific skill.

4) There is a risk of lumping incorrect science in with fraud and punishing people for making mistaking (or even not being omniscient). That's a big, big problem that would chill scientific freedom.

For what it's worth, I've never heard anyone in my field or anything adjacent complain that "too much" stuff is being published. Hard to argue against more information.

Anyway that's my two fairly poorly organized cents, fairly tangential to this thread.

May some of the stuff in social sciences is worse but it's not my field so I don't want to point too many fingers.

rojo wrote:

in my opinion wrote:

Allen53, Bad Wigins, Jamin, YMMV and several others start threads daily down playing the virus and not only do you say nothing, you actively allow them to use this platform to spread that misinformation.

I have my phone number up on the internet. If you have a thread that you think should be deleted, you can easily call me. How many other places in the world does that exist? Have you called me? 844-538-7786 ext.3 .

If I see a thread saying Covid is a hoax, I delete it. I'm not going to delete stuff that is people's opinions though.

I am too shy to talk to my idol but maybe I should consider it :)

wejo wrote:

I'm changing the title of the thread from "been lying to us" to "purposely misled us". It's Christmas Day and associating Dr. Fauci with the word lie really rubs people the wrong way, including my aunt.

It doesn't change what Robert is saying but appearances are important.

Misled and lie are the same damn thing. I'm criticizing Fauci for downplaying the virus and people on the left - including half my family - are all up in arms. But go ahead and change it asyes the way stuff is presented is the key to success in modern life.

I guess it's kind of what most college recruiters due. They say something based in truth so they justify an exaggeration that makes it a lie. I never wanted to do that.