My guess is around 8:30.
My guess is around 8:30.
I don't think it's a pace, but actually a turnover issue. If you can keep your cadence above 180 per minute, you can call it running, even with a short stride. If your turnover is below that cadence, it's jogging. (Although, people can actually have a fast pace while having a slower than 180 cadence--Someone at 6:30 but with a <180 cadence IS running.)
At some pace, 180 strides per minute will result in a ridiculously short stride--shorter even than walking. I'll call that pace a transition from running to jogging as well.
stoutchemist wrote:
My guess is around 8:30.
Nah, try keeping 9:00's for 100 miles and then tell me if thats runnin' pace
It's not a pace. The difference between running and jogging is that running is done with conviction.
scrambler wrote:
It's not a pace. The difference between running and jogging is that running is done with conviction.
no, i'm pretty sure it's pace.
i go with 7:30s at the HIGHEST for guys. under 7 is more like it. under 6:30 is real running.
i'm not saying there is anything wrong with jogging, though.
8:00 is the threshold
scrambler wrote:
It's not a pace. The difference between running and jogging is that running is done with conviction.
Agreed. I've seen heavyset and untalented people break a serious sweat trying to keep up what we would call a slower pace. It's all heart.
Symantics. There is no difference.
55% VO2 max. No, really. Below this pace, there is really no aerobic conditioning benefit. Just impact stress. That's jogging. Take you Mile race pace, double it, that's about the pace for jogging.
For those who say 7:30 or 8:30 etc, sheesh! It's all relative. Some people are killing themselves at these paces.
If you're talking about looking like you're shifting, rather than just plodding along, probably somewhere around 5:30 pace.
Gotta agree. If someone is training to race or calls themselves a runner, then I don't care how slow they are going...they are running. Jogging is something that you do to stay in shape and when someone doesn't really identify with the running community.
If it has anything to do with pace, then on days when you are doing intervals or something of that nature, and you dip below that pace, then you are jogging? Just doesn't make sense. I have to laugh at people that say pace. I can see them going out and running harder than they need to at some points just to save face. I love racing those people and hearing how many miles they are running and at what pace. Many of them just always seem to have off-days whenever it comes to racing. I would rather recover properly and run very good threshold, MP runs for my long runs, and interval workouts, than run at a pre-supposed pace which classifies me as a runner. I run some of my miles at 7:40-8:30 pace on my easy days. When I run with my sister or random people I happen to meet while running (which can sometimes put me at 9-9:30 pace, but I like talking to people) morning runs I do the same, but on my MP (marathon pace runs) runs I do something like 6-6:20 for 12-15 miles for a longer run. If you saw me oneday I guess I wouldn't be a runner, and if many people saw me another I would be movin' relatively quickly for a long time.
Nothing to do with pace...everything to do with the reason you are running. What about those Kenyans/Africans/good runners supposedly running 10 minute pace or slower? Are they runners?
I think that it depends on a persons fitness level. For someone who is really fit, they will have to practically shuffle to run 9min pace. Someone who isn't as talented/fit may be running all out at 9min pace. Also, just because someone goes for a jog doesn't mean they aren't a runner. So, I'd say that when those elite runners are shuffling around at 10 min pace or whatever, they are jogging at the time. Of course, they are still runners, but they are jogging that particular workout. Thats just my opinion.
It has nothing to do with absolute pace or with percentage of effort.
Walking is when both feet contact the ground at the same time with straight legs. Distance Between Footstrikes = Distance Between Feet
Jogging is when both feet contact the ground at the same time for an instant with bent legs. Distance Between Footstrikes = Distance Between Feet
Running is when both feet never contact the ground at the same time. Distance Between Footstrikes > Distance Between Feet
Sprinting is running where a large proportion of the time is spent with neither foot touching the ground. Distance Between Footstrikes >> Distance Between Feet
I have a hard time running slower than around 8min pace, say for a typical training run. I would have to make a serious mental effort to run slower, outside of what is already an incredibly natural pace for me. So that's why I say 830 pace.
We were taught in the late 70's that anything above a 7 minute pace was jogging. Jogging is not a negative term. You can jog at times and run at other times. If you never get below 7, you are jogging all the time. If you never get above 7, you are running all the time.
Just as stories and customs are passed from generation to generation, we must educate those who come after us that man or woman, masters or children, you have to go faster than 7 minute pace to be running.
The issue is some folks seem to have a negative connation with the word jog.
A lot of folks would be well served to "jog" their easy days.
How many times have you shown up at the track and had a bad workout because you were tired from your easy day?
Amby has admitted that RW is written for people running 7:00-10:00 pace. That should tell you all you need to know.
Lydiard described jogging as easy aerobic running. He mentioned pace, not cadence or form in determining the difference.
I would have to say it is relative to fitness levels, age and intent.
In the 70's I ran. I would do some recovery runs at high 7's or 8, but most things were at 6's or faster. Hit numerous 100 mile weeks and managed some decent pr's.
Now at age 52, after extensive knee surgery, I can only do 2-3 miles before pain and swelling take over. I am at 184, after racing for years at 145-148.
I pushed myself hard last week to keep up with my 12 year old son for 2 miles. He kicked my behind and I ran 16 low. I was NOT jogging.
This usually becomes a pointless, elitist thread when we talk about joggers and runners. I usually just think that issue is a matter of focus where a runner is doing it primarily for the sake of running (for a race, simply b/c they like it) whereas a jogger is out there for some other reason (health, fitness, another sport) but isn't doing it necessarily b/c they like it.
As far as the real question goes, I think it's a measure of effort level more than pace and definitely varies by the individual. In my log I write down something like "5 mile jog" for those sessions which are almost soley done for the purposes of recovery. If I knew anything about heart rate maybe I could give you a number there, but for me it probably works out to about 5k + 3min. So runners, joggers, and non-runners are by my definition capable of running and jogging.
Of course jogging has its place, in warmups, cooldowns, during recovery intervals. But jogging isn't quite "training" with a physiological benefit. 55%VO2 max pace!