Running in a mixed race on a warm night in Canberra 15 year old Imogen Stewart almost breaks the 9 min mark for 3k with a 9:01! Her 12 year old brother wins the next heat in approximately 9:25.
Running in a mixed race on a warm night in Canberra 15 year old Imogen Stewart almost breaks the 9 min mark for 3k with a 9:01! Her 12 year old brother wins the next heat in approximately 9:25.
If she was American, that would put her behind only Cain (9:38 converted to 3K) and Efraimson and Rainsberger (both 9:00). And she is at least a year younger than all three.
YMMV wrote:
If she was American, that would put her behind only Cain (9:38 converted to 3K) and Efraimson and Rainsberger (both 9:00). And she is at least a year younger than all three.
Would have been Aussie record but because in a mixed race it won't count in the record books.
Is it healthy for an athlete, especially a young woman, to have been running these distances since she was 12? Not sure the point of running a mixed race, but I will be very curious to see whether her body holds up in a few years. Just sounds like a bad case of stage mothering.
Well maybe the point is drafting/pacing. She ran 9:12 coming in 3rd in a pro race a few weeks back. Then again she ran 9:17 at 12. Guess we will see.
astro wrote:
Well maybe the point is drafting/pacing. She ran 9:12 coming in 3rd in a pro race a few weeks back. Then again she ran 9:17 at 12. Guess we will see.
She had a very good pack of junior boys to run with and compete against. In the female only race the winning time was 10:13 so in my opinion give her chances to learn how to race in competitive fields. Good on her and her future could be very interesting.
YMMV wrote:
If she was American, that would put her behind only Cain (9:38 converted to 3K) and Efraimson and Rainsberger (both 9:00). And she is at least a year younger than all three.
If she was American there would be three or four pages of posts on how Tuohy's 9:01 indoors is so much better than this one. And that Stewart would have been 10 seconds slower if it wasn't a mixed race and therefore isn't even close to Tuohy. Plus races on the bottom side of the world are all downhill anyway.
And if all else fails there is the fall back position that running faster than Tuohy is unhealthy and will lead to long term problems.
Pretty sure there are two US outdoor high school times faster. Besides the point.
Wow. She could break 8 if she keeps running. What an animal!
coahc wrote:
astro wrote:
Well maybe the point is drafting/pacing. She ran 9:12 coming in 3rd in a pro race a few weeks back. Then again she ran 9:17 at 12. Guess we will see.
She had a very good pack of junior boys to run with and compete against. In the female only race the winning time was 10:13 so in my opinion give her chances to learn how to race in competitive fields. Good on her and her future could be very interesting.
She was overly trained when young--seen it before--and suffered an injury.
Now she is trying to come back after a year or more.
A more interesting post from coahc would be if the injury is healed, and how much training is she now doing, and what is the likelihood of re-injury.
It is not like my concern about injury are baseless here. There is a reason you dont run these distances at that age. It is just a red flag, but bopefully she is healthy.
[quote]astro wrote:
It is not like my concern about injury are baseless here. There is a reason you dont run these distances at that age.
I am not sure we know that.
astro wrote:
It is not like my concern about injury are baseless here. There is a reason you dont run these distances at that age. It is just a red flag, but bopefully she is healthy.
Yes it's completely baseless. You're one of those grumpy old people who hopes young runners fail so you can be "right."
Correct. What will they say when the American girls break 9? Weather was perfect? They had each other to draft off? They are overtrained? They won't do anything in college? They had the advantage of Covid so that they could train through 2020?
Maybe. Not sure this is the best example as a counterargument though.
Except Stewart was already injured. Not predicting anything. It already happened.
Tuohy was injured. Was her path the incorrect one?
Injuries happen. Its the sport. But when you are running 3000m at 12, you are asking for it, and in a way that can easily adversely affect development. And here it is no hypothetical. Can you think of any US runner who ran the 3000m at 12?
Many American girls run 5k at 12. Pretty sure Tuohy ran 5k XC at 12.
She was held back until her freshman year in the longer distance. And her training distances were deliberately restricted, which is why she exploded her sophomore year. Stewart in contrast is a young athlete who appears to be max training to run the 3000m since she was barely a teen, and who already had missed time due to injury.
Anyway, unless you join the dope parade success on international distance running is a very relative thing, just like cycling for the past 50 years. So I don't get invested in it. Just noting the issue.