Does anyone have the start list for the 68 trials? I'm calling bullshit on a guy who is telling me he ran in the trials against jim ryun, but cant find any info to defend either side.
Does anyone have the start list for the 68 trials? I'm calling bullshit on a guy who is telling me he ran in the trials against jim ryun, but cant find any info to defend either side.
Jim Ryun
Tom Von Ruden
Marty Liquori
Dave Patrick
Roscoe Divine
Sam bair
Dave Wilborn
John Mason
May have butchered the spelling of some of the names.
http://www.ryunrunning.com/ryun/video/Trials_Small.mov
- if the guy is just woofing, show him the video and ask him to explain where exactly he was in the race.
I think you got them all right except for not capitalizing the "B" in Bair.
There were 2 sets of trials in 1968--one at Los Angeles, at sea level and final trials at Tahoe at altitude. The USOC took the top 10 in each event from LA, to compete at Tahoe.
In case he says it was only the heats or semis, here you go:
Heat 1 (first 5 qualify)
Divine, Ryun, Jerry Richey, Brian Kivlan, Wilborn, Jim Crawford
Semifinal 2 (first 4 qualify)
Ryun, von Ruden, Bair, Mason, Richey
I don't have the results of those semi-final tryouts, but I do have the '68 US list going all the way to 3:47.0/4:05.3. Just in case you really want to embarrass him.
Cool! A track in the middle of the woods.
I believe Kivlan also was in that final altitude group; in any event he was one of my dissertation subjects and I did test him at altitude. Interestingly, I also got all 26 of my subjects from 68 to come back for 25-year followup testing in 1993, Brian Kivlan was the fittest of the above group of 1500 guys at the age of 48, but Chris McCubbins outdid the entire group with his 76 VO2max at age 49 (he was 78 at a 24 yr old). In fact the steeplychasers accounted fot eh highest (McCubbins) and lowest in VO2max category (one had a 36 max, but mainly becasue he weighed about 230 at the time --- he still handled a 1-hour run with all his buddies when they got together. The track was a piece of work -- tartan around a bunch of pine trees on top of the pass, and house trailers for all the athletes to live in. I need to publish the results of the followup, along with the 7 pages of comments they offered about their careers and what they think of current runners. Sorry, can't do it yet.
Well I dont see his name there, but I guess I should check out the lists for 72 and 64 if you guys know where I can get those. Thanks for the help guys
64
Final
Burleson
OHara
Grelle
Ryun
San Romani
Day
Weisiger
Camien
Eliminated in heats: Tucker, Lingle, Larson
72 Second "trials"
Final
Ryun
Liquori
Von Ruden
Patrick
Divine
Mason
Bair
Wilborn
eliminated in semi: Kivlan, Richey
elimiated in heats: Crawford, Davis
72 first "trials"
Patrick
Bair
Liquori
Wilborn
Richey
Mason
divine
Von Ruden
Crawford
Kivlan
eliminated in heats: Shaw, Messenger, Farley, Delaney
1972
Finals
Ryun
Wottle
Wheeler
Howe
Michael
MacDonald
McAfee
Fischer
Van Dyk
West
Eashman
Savage
eliminated in semis: Walker, Paul, Crawford, Mad Durk, Bach, Gorman, Roberts, Von Ruden, Popejoy, Rose
eliminated in heats: Carey, Wilkins, Carlberg.
FACTOID OF THE DAY. Cliff West, who finished 10th in the 1972 1500 final, later switched events and ran 20.53 for the 200.
SHOULD READ
68 Second "trials"
Final
Ryun
Liquori
Von Ruden
Patrick
Divine
Mason
Bair
Wilborn
eliminated in semi: Kivlan, Richey
elimiated in heats: Crawford, Davis
68 first "trials"
Patrick
Bair
Liquori
Wilborn
Richey
Mason
divine
Von Ruden
Crawford
Kivlan
eliminated in heats: Shaw, Messenger, Farley, Delaney
no Chuck LaBenz anywhere?
he must have gone out early
No Labenz AZtrackie. Must have been injured.
malmo wrote:
FACTOID OF THE DAY. Cliff West, who finished 10th in the 1972 1500 final, later switched events and ran 20.53 for the 200.
Whoa. I guess the most logical question on Letsrun run is "Wariner or West, whose speed would you rather have?"
Malmo,
Thank you for your thoroughness. These names are a great blast from the past. These guys were legends/rock star status guys to us young runners. Too few pictures/results existed then to really follow these guys.
Reading their names makes me want to go out and run some quarters on cinder in those old addidas spikes I saved.
nuge wrote:Thank you for your thoroughness. These names are a great blast from the past. These guys were legends/rock star status guys to us young runners. Too few pictures/results existed then to really follow these guys.
Reading their names makes me want to go out and run some quarters on cinder in those old addidas spikes I saved.
You're welcome.
I've been lucky enough to have met and -- oh my god -- actually train with some of them.
There are two Maryland State high school champions in there. Care to take a guess?
DAVE PATRICK, BOB[ YOUR IDOL] WHEELER. Md guys.
rocho, whom exactly are you looking for? Can you tell us?
There are two wonderful memories of Dave Patrick, one being of Dave coming off "Cemetary Hill" at Van Cortlandt Park and "flying" by about 20 guys over the last 600 yards on the flats to the finish line at the IC-4A Cross Country Championships and the other watching him set the 880 world record at Cobo Arena. Dave was both elegant in his running style and tough as nails. He definitely was one of the best. Getting knocked out of the second trials up at Tahoe, after originally making the team down in LA was most disappointing. Perhaps that event was a major reason he didn't continue his career.
sure, the guys name is phil luckey, which I havnt seen in any of the start lists. Oh,and my name is rocko not rocho.