THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Are you really stupid enough to believe that that 32.9% is a raw number that is not annualized?
what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Are you really stupid enough to believe that that 32.9% is a raw number that is not annualized?
covid lurker wrote:
what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?
covid lurker wrote:
what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
Lead foil hat 3 is even worse at using the quote function
Lead Foil Hat 3 wrote:
KaareV wrote:
[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.
Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.
66 new deaths and 7240 infected.
SWEDEN.
Of the 66 deaths to day, 54 transported back in time.
Some examples ; Nov. 1 th +1
6th + 3
11th + 5
14th +8
17th + 14
The numbers back in time per week.
17-22-43-79-150 . The curve is not nice. Let's hope for the best.
Week 40 : 17 deaths
Week 41: 22
Week 42: 16
Week 43: 43
Week 44 : 79
Week 45: 150 - preliminary. Will rise
Week 46: 164 +27 from the report yesterday. If it goes on like this approx. 300. The numbers will rise, every day, at least 10 days from now , because that is how the Swedish system "works".
Now, in Week 47, so far: 72, but that tells us nothing. On tuesday we will get new numbers.
And the 7240 infected reported to day, probably too high, equals 237248 in USA. Sweden are not capable of testing as many as in USA.
It is too early to say whether Sweden's outbreak has peaked. Restrictions have only been in place for a few days and are not very tough. But stopping alcohol sales at 10 pm and banning gatherings of more than 8 people will help target superspreader events. Other EU countries have been more aggressive and are seeing a pretty quick decline in cases (Czechia and Belgium are good examples).
Finland and Norway need to be the model for the rest of Europe and the US. They have completely de-politicized the pandemic and given health officials all the tools needed to keep outbreaks in check without having to have long lockdowns. There is near universal public buy in to the approach. Economic impacts have been a fraction of what EU and US have endured.
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-finland-sweden-role-model/a-55664117
https://www.wsj.com/articles/finland-and-norway-avoid-covid-19-lockdowns-but-keep-the-virus-at-bay-11605704407
You have it backwards. He is here primary to call people names. COVID idiocy is just the medium for it.
I strongly disagree about COVID lives beings overpriced though. No country can tolerate the shock of 1-2% of it's population dying in a single wave - it causes civil and economic chaos. We can argue about the steps to prevent this situation, but claiming mitigation "overprices" lives seems reductive and ignorant of nonlinear risk.
Budda wrote:
Thing is Lead Foil.. There are valid points you make from time to time (covid lifes are undoubtly priced at a huge premium of other lifes and for sure the reaction in most countries is somewhat (understandably so) overshadowed by fear), but it gets hidden by your anger (especially name calling) and refusal to see what's right in front of you. If you relax on the name calling and make sure how you portray reality would align closer to what the rest of us see when we look at the same data, then maybe we would be more inclined to listen to the rest of what you are saying too.
An angry person that call people names and twist data into a reality that no one else sees is unlikely to convince anyone of anything.
Is that all you has to say, despite all the evidence? I tried to explain how it works to you. Futile. You didn't even thank me. You are clining to a hope., like these guys, you know. living in bunkers. Nothing else. No facts, no analysis. No,they don't continue to be very low. Do yourself a favor, go into the numbers and make a sound interpretation. The numbers of deaths, evcen two weeks ago, are rising. If you don't understand the Swedish Reporting system, so at least accept that you don't.
Precious Roy wrote:
It is too early to say whether Sweden's outbreak has peaked. Restrictions have only been in place for a few days and are not very tough. But stopping alcohol sales at 10 pm and banning gatherings of more than 8 people will help target superspreader events. Other EU countries have been more aggressive and are seeing a pretty quick decline in cases (Czechia and Belgium are good examples).
Finland and Norway need to be the model for the rest of Europe and the US. They have completely de-politicized the pandemic and given health officials all the tools needed to keep outbreaks in check without having to have long lockdowns. There is near universal public buy in to the approach. Economic impacts have been a fraction of what EU and US have endured.
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-finland-sweden-role-model/a-55664117
https://www.wsj.com/articles/finland-and-norway-avoid-covid-19-lockdowns-but-keep-the-virus-at-bay-11605704407
[quote]2600 bro wrote:
You have it backwards. He is here primary to call people names. COVID idiocy is just the medium for it.
I strongly disagree about COVID lives beings overpriced though. No country can tolerate the shock of 1-2% of it's population dying in a single wave
You're kidding, right? Covid has take out (based on the inflated numbers) less than .10% of the population in America.
Less than 1% of Americans die from all causes each year.
Now Sweden is SOON closing down more than Norway
KaareV wrote:
Is that all you has to say, despite all the evidence? I tried to explain how it works to you. Futile. You didn't even thank me. You are clining to a hope., like these guys, you know. living in bunkers. Nothing else. No facts, no analysis. No,they don't continue to be very low. Do yourself a favor, go into the numbers and make a sound interpretation. The numbers of deaths, evcen two weeks ago, are rising. If you don't understand the Swedish Reporting system, so at least accept that you don't.
