How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Are you really stupid enough to believe that that 32.9% is a raw number that is not annualized?

Sorry.

Quoted directly from the article.

R U stupid enuff to think that a nation that did not lock down would lose as much GDO as one that did?

covid lurker wrote:

what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?

Home CPU and Phone?

covid lurker wrote:

what is the difference between Lead Foil Hat and Lead Foil Hat II?

Hasn't figured out the login function, or it's like 4 people posting under 1 name with the same manic style.

Either one is funny lol

KaareV wrote:

[quote]Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?

Both your numbers and your analysis are wrong. It is diffucult to understand the Swedish deathnumbers, because of their reporting backwords. So for every day the numbers backwards grow, they are getting higher and higher. Example first reported 10 deaths on hte 10th, now it has grown to 19. A sober estimation, very careful, of the deaths this week 30-40 a day. And it is on the rise, whether you like it or not. What you write about Norway, and even Denmark is not true. I wonder why you write stuff like this. To day 600 new infections in Norway, Sweden five times more per 1 M, and there is no massive spike, actually it looks as it is flattening. Norway and Sweden is not very different when it comes to culture, social conditions etc. etc. and Stockholm and Oslo not that different when it comes immigrants and foreign population. Where they differ dramatically are in numbers of deaths and infections. But you just go on and go on with unsubstansiated claims. Nothing seems to stop you.But in times we are living in; you are one of my favorites over there, twisting reality so much that it doesn't disturb your "worldview". On Sweden and the Nordic countries you are falsified over and over again. And you go on calling other people liars and idiots, over and over again. I am included in your long list. No decency when it comes to facts, you are totally immune, and no resepct whatsoever when it comes to other people. Also in this "respect" you are my favorite American. Some time ago you wrote that I was living in a basement in NJ. Only once in NJ, At Rutgers. They do some science.

Rutgers? You are not Norwegian.....and never answered about the big race in Loen near your home town? So I still don't believe you. Aslo, cherry pick much. You choose the 600 case low on 11/18 over the 1700 high on 11/17? Why is that? Still upset about the Redskins game on 11/17 and you missed it? Dude, you are a liar through and through. In the end, the Sweden "wave 2" is going g to be much much smaller than all of the lock down nations.

Lead foil hat 3 is even worse at using the quote function

11/09 - 593

11/10 - 562

11/12 - 717

11/13 - 688

11/14 - 518

11/15 - 532

11/16 - 548

11/17 - 600

18/11 - 656

11/19 - 671

You lead foilers need to get better at this cherrypicking game..

That 600 turns out to be so cherry picked that it's pretty much bang average for the last 10 days...

1700 that you are claiming though?

Ehm.. no 1700 anywhere in sight I'm afraid...

That 717 number from 8 days ago is peak for the entire pandemic btw, followed by 704 on november 2nd.

As I tried pointing out to you a few day ago, Norway looks to have pretty much reached it's peak. could be last week, could be this week, but in all likelyhood they will not reach 700 a day (on average).

Denmark (as I also tried telling you), looks to have peaked too on double Norway's number..

Not yet a 100% that either country will quell this wave yet, especially Denmark, but from the look of the curves and with both countries in semi-lock down, it looks like both countries will avoid seeing surges like you see in pretty much the rest of the EU.

Also--> The plateauing of newly infected in Sweden is probably best explained by Sweden being at capacity in their test taking capabilities. They've obviously introduced lockdown measures too, so logic dictates there is a flattening of the curve going on because of that, but in all likelyhood the underlying infection rate in Sweden is still spiking and will continue to do so this week before probably (or at least hopefully) peaking next week. The death numbers will probably rise for the next 3-4 weeks and I estimate they will plateau under the worst hit countries.

We don't know that yet though.

Thing is Lead Foil.. There are valid points you make from time to time (covid lifes are undoubtly priced at a huge premium of other lifes and for sure the reaction in most countries is somewhat (understandably so) overshadowed by fear), but it gets hidden by your anger (especially name calling) and refusal to see what's right in front of you. If you relax on the name calling and make sure how you portray reality would align closer to what the rest of us see when we look at the same data, then maybe we would be more inclined to listen to the rest of what you are saying too.

An angry person that call people names and twist data into a reality that no one else sees is unlikely to convince anyone of anything.

I believe it is the way they generate the data at the trollfactory, they haven't figured it out yet.

I love you. You are one of my American favorites. A Bright shining example of why it is as it is over there. I answered you, dude. But you did'nt read it? About "Skåla Opp", never participated, Been in Loen, but it takes about six hours to drive over the mountains. Too old to run this race now, far too old.

People have a good laugh over here. I have posted some of your remarks and some of your "analysis" on Facebook. To the facts (which HG you are trying to twist all of the time). Never over 800 in in Norway, 671 reported this morning, but here in Oslo the highest number under this pandemic, 241. Though in deaths/1M 56. In Europe only the Faroe Islands and the Vatican City lower numbers.

But a sober analysis of Sweden. I have written about that, too. Since the Swedish reporting system is a mess, we will know the approx death numbers in a week from now. The numbers are rising. Last ten days of October daily average 9,1 - and the first ten days of November 21, 0. Highest 9th 33 and 10th 31, so far. 10th up by from two days ago to yesterday. By now it is over 40 a day, that is a very low estimate. I will update, you. Even though are full of conspiracy theories. When something contradicts your, let us be nice to people like you, vivid imagination, then they are lying. Truely, you are a strange fellow. Hope that people in you surrondings take care of you. One should appriciate people from all walks of life. BTW, reading, since philosophy of science (they have a great philosophy department at Rutgers) is not your field, I will strongly recommend Rousseaus Fifth Walk, it might give some calm and pleasure, whether it will give you insight, I don't know. I will update the Swedish numbers of today as soon as they are published. I wish you all the best.

66 new deaths and 7240 infected.

SWEDEN.

Of the 66 deaths to day, 54 transported back in time.

Some examples ; Nov. 1 th +1

6th + 3

11th + 5

14th +8

17th + 14

The numbers back in time per week.

17-22-43-79-150 . The curve is not nice. Let's hope for the best.

Week 40 : 17 deaths

Week 41: 22

Week 42: 16

Week 43: 43

Week 44 : 79

Week 45: 150 - preliminary. Will rise

Week 46: 164 +27 from the report yesterday. If it goes on like this approx. 300. The numbers will rise, every day, at least 10 days from now , because that is how the Swedish system "works".

Now, in Week 47, so far: 72, but that tells us nothing. On tuesday we will get new numbers.

And the 7240 infected reported to day, probably too high, equals 237248 in USA. Sweden are not capable of testing as many as in USA.

It is too early to say whether Sweden's outbreak has peaked. Restrictions have only been in place for a few days and are not very tough. But stopping alcohol sales at 10 pm and banning gatherings of more than 8 people will help target superspreader events. Other EU countries have been more aggressive and are seeing a pretty quick decline in cases (Czechia and Belgium are good examples).

Finland and Norway need to be the model for the rest of Europe and the US. They have completely de-politicized the pandemic and given health officials all the tools needed to keep outbreaks in check without having to have long lockdowns. There is near universal public buy in to the approach. Economic impacts have been a fraction of what EU and US have endured.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-finland-sweden-role-model/a-55664117

https://www.wsj.com/articles/finland-and-norway-avoid-covid-19-lockdowns-but-keep-the-virus-at-bay-11605704407

Swedish "Covid" daily deaths continue to be very low

You have it backwards. He is here primary to call people names. COVID idiocy is just the medium for it. I strongly disagree about COVID lives beings overpriced though. No country can tolerate the shock of 1-2% of it's population dying in a single wave - it causes civil and economic chaos. We can argue about the steps to prevent this situation, but claiming mitigation "overprices" lives seems reductive and ignorant of nonlinear risk.

Budda wrote:

Thing is Lead Foil.. There are valid points you make from time to time (covid lifes are undoubtly priced at a huge premium of other lifes and for sure the reaction in most countries is somewhat (understandably so) overshadowed by fear), but it gets hidden by your anger (especially name calling) and refusal to see what's right in front of you. If you relax on the name calling and make sure how you portray reality would align closer to what the rest of us see when we look at the same data, then maybe we would be more inclined to listen to the rest of what you are saying too.

An angry person that call people names and twist data into a reality that no one else sees is unlikely to convince anyone of anything.

Is that all you has to say, despite all the evidence? I tried to explain how it works to you. Futile. You didn't even thank me. You are clining to a hope., like these guys, you know. living in bunkers. Nothing else. No facts, no analysis. No,they don't continue to be very low. Do yourself a favor, go into the numbers and make a sound interpretation. The numbers of deaths, evcen two weeks ago, are rising. If you don't understand the Swedish Reporting system, so at least accept that you don't.

Precious Roy wrote:

It is too early to say whether Sweden's outbreak has peaked. Restrictions have only been in place for a few days and are not very tough. But stopping alcohol sales at 10 pm and banning gatherings of more than 8 people will help target superspreader events. Other EU countries have been more aggressive and are seeing a pretty quick decline in cases (Czechia and Belgium are good examples).

Finland and Norway need to be the model for the rest of Europe and the US. They have completely de-politicized the pandemic and given health officials all the tools needed to keep outbreaks in check without having to have long lockdowns. There is near universal public buy in to the approach. Economic impacts have been a fraction of what EU and US have endured.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-finland-sweden-role-model/a-55664117https://www.wsj.com/articles/finland-and-norway-avoid-covid-19-lockdowns-but-keep-the-virus-at-bay-11605704407

Well, it has not peaked at all in Sweden. Several weeks from now. So we totally agree. Though there are some signs of a rise in infections in Oslo, troublesome. There might be more restrictions in that area. Though, not as hard as the Swedish: not more than eight in public gatherings.

[quote]2600 bro wrote:

You have it backwards. He is here primary to call people names. COVID idiocy is just the medium for it.

I strongly disagree about COVID lives beings overpriced though. No country can tolerate the shock of 1-2% of it's population dying in a single wave

You're kidding, right? Covid has take out (based on the inflated numbers) less than .10% of the population in America.

Less than 1% of Americans die from all causes each year.

Now Sweden is SOON closing down more than Norway

KaareV wrote:

Is that all you has to say, despite all the evidence? I tried to explain how it works to you. Futile. You didn't even thank me. You are clining to a hope., like these guys, you know. living in bunkers. Nothing else. No facts, no analysis. No,they don't continue to be very low. Do yourself a favor, go into the numbers and make a sound interpretation. The numbers of deaths, evcen two weeks ago, are rising. If you don't understand the Swedish Reporting system, so at least accept that you don't.

Just copied and pasted the CDC on Sweden.

Why so triggered?

And yes, single digit daily deaths with some days in the teens is extremely low for a population of ten million people. For example, 10 daily deaths out of 10,000,000 plus Swedes is less than .0001%. Explain to me why .0001% is not very low. Would love to hear that one