Wait, what? Nike just released a $200 shoe that is illegal for competition?

It’s a training shoe.

Who cares if it is banned?

You and your trolls about shoes. Get over it.

The youtube reviews on this shoe are terrible. It seems too co mplicated for a running shoe, it looks more like a tech gadget. Plus, it weighs in at 10+ ounces! WTF!

Give me back my dead simple Peg Turbos.

They already ruined the Peg 37s, those suck too. I might have to switch to HOKA or Saucony. I'm a longtime Nike customer.

There are four shoes listed on this site (Zoom Turbo, Zoom Pegasus, Vaporfly, Alphafly). Only one of the four models is available for purchase (Pegasus). Honestly, wtf is going on over at Nike.

https://www.nike.com/running/zoom-tempo

*stipe wrote:

It’s a training shoe.

Who cares if it is banned?

Nike stack heights are catnip for Robbie, don't distract him with insight.

Crappy shoes. They are stiff and narrow. Wait for these to hit bargain outlets. No one would ever wear them for a race

To Peg Turbos- I would not advise to use Hoka as a training shoe as I found that they are unstable. They are okay for jogging and older people who want more cushioning for their feet. When doing actual training in these, the foam compacted very quickly and I had some physical issues with them. I went back to Nikes. Now use the Air Zoom Terra Kiger and I don't have any more issues. In fact, I was so pleased with these, I bought 3 pair, knowing Nike's penchant for disappearing shoe models very quickly.

BOHICA wrote:

Nike stack heights are catnip for Robbie, don't distract him with insight.

MAN NIP!

Hugely concerning. First of all for the people at the level of BQ there will be no way to regulate this.

I also have a concern for the group in the sub-elite range. From my experience, I have a hard time seeing most of the races outside of Tier 1 and 2 marathons regulating the stack height. I believe the majors and races like CIM, Houston, Twin Cities, etc. will either check sub elites before or after or have some other program to monitor this. After all most of those pay money to any American who gets an OTQ at the race. But I have a hard time seeing a lot of the marathons and half's that may have several thousand participants but a less formal elite field enforcing these shoe rules.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Hugely concerning. First of all for the people at the level of BQ there will be no way to regulate this.

I would say, people struggling to BQ are not the caliber of runner who should care how fast anyone is. Although in practice, I find they are VERY concerned with how fast everyone else is. Yeah, maybe the qualifying time would drop as a result of a super-fast shoe. But I think those people whining about a possible future tightening of the BQ standard should shut up and qualify for their arbitrary goal, get on with actually enjoying their training and self-improvement, or wait until they reach an arbitrary age where they are become fast enough to be allowed into the club.

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Hugely concerning. First of all for the people at the level of BQ there will be no way to regulate this.

I also have a concern for the group in the sub-elite range. From my experience, I have a hard time seeing most of the races outside of Tier 1 and 2 marathons regulating the stack height. I believe the majors and races like CIM, Houston, Twin Cities, etc. will either check sub elites before or after or have some other program to monitor this. After all most of those pay money to any American who gets an OTQ at the race. But I have a hard time seeing a lot of the marathons and half's that may have several thousand participants but a less formal elite field enforcing these shoe rules.

Okay so it's maybe more stack height than legal, with the emphasis on maybe. We would need someone to actually conduct a measurement on a size 8.5 (is that what's specified in the new rules) and on both mens' and womens' shoes.

But in this case, I think the point is moot. The Tempo's are ridiculously heavy relative to true racing shoes. Okay, the stack might be illegal, but why race in the Tempo's anyway? The Alphafly is significantly lighter, maybe a few mm less stack, probably faster due to no React foam and all ZoomX, etc.

Just found a pic of the Next% 2.0 prototype:

https://cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FTS/MR4B/H1YOEOFC/FTSMR4BH1YOEOFC.jpg?auto=webp

Bring Back my Peg Turbos wrote:

There are four shoes listed on this site (Zoom Turbo, Zoom Pegasus, Vaporfly, Alphafly). Only one of the four models is available for purchase (Pegasus). Honestly, wtf is going on over at Nike.

https://www.nike.com/running/zoom-tempo

Covid has made production extremely challenging.

*stipe wrote:

It’s a training shoe.

Who cares if it is banned?

Exactly right. I just got a pair and ran 8 miles in them this morning. The shoe is 10 ounces in my size 10 1/2. The shoe has a great ride - not too hard and not Hoka soft either. There would be no advantage in racing in it at any distance. I also have the Alpha Fly. That's the shoe that people should wonder about. I feel like I'm bouncing on a trampoline in the Alpha Fly.

stan the corgi wrote:

To Peg Turbos- I would not advise to use Hoka as a training shoe as I found that they are unstable. They are okay for jogging and older people who want more cushioning for their feet.

The Hoka Gaviota 2, Bondi's and Arahi are stable Hoka shoes.

*stipe wrote:

It’s a training shoe.

Who cares if it is banned?

Amen to that brother!!!!

Nike doesn't care about the poor who can't afford their shoes. They do care about the rich white WOKE people who wear them believing that their money spent on these shoes will help Kap, Bron and others who are held down by the color of their skin who rep them to advance a narrative of equality around the world. Except, its not true and we all know it.

An 8.5 men's size shoe? So not only are distance runners sickly skinny but they also have tiny feet. Lol. Good to know

pushing the narrative wrote:

Covid has made production extremely challenging.

Yeah, Nike is deeply concerned about the health of factory workers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.