Never....
Never....
Va tu faire futre Old Man.
why would you buy France?
sorry, i know that was a smart-ass dumb comment.
i honestly do not understand why everyone needs to get so worked up about the war. I would prefer to be uninformed and apathetic. look what all this media hype has gotten us... protests, arrests, upsetting the nation. doesn't make sense to me.
While your busy listing French companies to boycott, why don't you do a websearch and list all the companies in U.S. and Britian who are responsible for selling Saddamy the shit in the first place.
We sold him the stuff to create a supply of Anthrax, U.S. and Britian sold him what he needed to create mass destruction weapons.
Maybe we are innocent and he told us he was going to make lollipops or something.....
You may want to do your chemical and bacterium shopping elsewhere!
Most Americans listening to the President did not know that the United States supplied Iraq with much of the raw material for creating a chemical and biological warfare program. Nor did the media report that U.S. companies sold Iraq more than $1 billion worth of the components needed to:
* Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.
* Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.
* Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart.
* Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.
* Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.
* Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.
U.S. exports to Iraq included the precursors to chemical-warfare agents, plans for chemical and biological warfare production facilities, and chemical-warhead filling equipment.
The exports continued to at least November 28, 1989, despite evidence that Iraq was engaging in chemical and biological warfare against Iranians and Kurds since as early as 1984.
The American company that provided the most biological materials to Iraq in the 1980s was
American Type Culture Collection of Maryland and Virginia, which made seventy shipments of the anthrax-causing germ and other pathogenic agents, according to a 1996 Newsday story.
Other American companies also provided Iraq with the chemical or biological compounds, or the facilities and equipment used to create the compounds for chemical and biological warfare. Among these suppliers were the following:
* Alcolac International, a Baltimore chemical manufacturer already linked to the illegal shipment of chemicals to Iran, shipped large quantities of thiodiglycol (used to make mustard gas) as well as other chemical and biological ingredients, according to a 1989 story in The New York Times.
* Nu Kraft Mercantile Corp. of Brooklyn (affiliated with the United Steel and Strip Corporation) also supplied Iraq with huge amounts of thiodiglycol, the Times reported.
* Celery Corp., Charlotte, NC
* Matrix-Churchill Corp., Cleveland, OH (regarded as a front for the Iraqi government, according to Representative Henry Gonzalez, Democrat of Texas, who quoted U.S. intelligence documents to this effect in a 1992 speech on the House floor).
The following companies were also named as chemical and biological materials suppliers in the 1992 Senate hearings on "United States export policy toward Iraq prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait":
* Mouse Master, Lilburn, GA
* Sullaire Corp., Charlotte, NC
* Pure Aire, Charlotte, NC
* Posi Seal, Inc., N. Stonington, CT
* Union Carbide, Danbury, CT
* Evapco, Taneytown, MD
* Gorman-Rupp, Mansfield, OH
how many americans know that good ole ronnie raygun and george the first sent billions of our tax dollars to the mujahideen including muhammed omar and osama bin-laden so they could fight the ussr?
and guess what? the french and germans were telling us back then that it was a very bad idea to get in bed with the islamic extremists....
can you say blowback? the trouble with american politics is noone ever looks or cares past the next election cycle.
I heard Old Disgruntled Man will boycott Saudi Arabia too and never drive a car again.
Moving into 2nd place past Facts as my favorite posters is 16x....
1. Portland Runner
2. 16x
3. Facts
Yea its all USAs fault...Saddam didnt do anything..we made him do it..yea its all our fault...You guys sound so stupid...
Listen to yourself, man. Do it? Do what? Can you tell me what Iraq has done to justify the US invading them. And if you can, can you supply evidence for this? Do you even know the first thing about Iraq, or its leadership? Or are you just blindy following what you hear on TV?
I have forgotten more about Iraq then you know little sonny...when a rogue regime has chemicals that they have used for warfare against its own people and in war with other countries..they bring that burden on themselves..You bozos who have never had freedom taken away..do not realize what liberty is...Do you think Iraqi people can say what you are stating..??..of course not..they cannot speak against their own country..YOU are spouting that same old left wing crap...Does the USA have to rexamine its previous foreign policy? ..certainly..but to defend Saddam..which is what you and France are doing..is moronic..France is doing it for financial gain as well as trying to re take its postion they feel they should have as a world leader...Please come with much stronger arguements then tired old left wing statements that guys like me have heard...and dont make the mistake of lumping me in with Republicans either..I am a 3rd party all the way..I am someone who has been asked the question "who should we notify in case of your death or injury "....Ive worn the uniform..and Ill never forget that question...But I also feel that there is a higher calling and a responsibility that comes with being a superpower...
I just wanted to point out a couple of blatant lies that have been reported by US politicians and news publications:
1) Earlier this week, when the war began, there were many many reports of Iraq firing Scud Missiles. This was not true. NO scud missiles were fired. In fact, US Major General Stanley McChrystal confirmed for the media on March 22, 2003, â??The Iraqis have not fired any Scuds, and [coalition] forces searching the deserts of Iraq have uncovered no [Scud] missiles or launchers.â??
SOURCE:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/wecontrolamerica/silkworm.html
2) The "massive chemical plant" that the US found is now being reported as a complete fallicy by Dow Jones News Service-- they are saying that no chemical weapons were found at all. The Pentagon has said that reports of the chemical weapons were "premature". (http://www.spacewar.com/2003/030324015210.vbav5l7z.html)
3) However, Victoria Clarke, assistant secretary of defense for public affairs, said during a televised briefing at the Pentagon yesterday that the administration knows about â??a number of sitesâ?? where Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Clarke refused to provide any estimate of how many sites the United States knows of, even when she was asked, â??More than 10? Less than a hundred?.... IF THE US KNEW ABOUT THESE SITES, WHY THE HELL DIDN'T THEY TELL THE WEAPONS INSPECTORS WHERE THEY WERE?
4) Donald Rumsfeld has been complaining that Iraq has violated the Geneva Convention by showing US prisoners of war on television and in the media. This is complete hypocrisy, as there have been MANY pictures of Iraqi prisoners in the US media. Here is one of many:
I was glad to see that the stock market took a dive today-- maybe Bush's approval ratings will go down along with the economy.
Ive been really disappointed with the support that our terrorist president is recieving from the public. Im glad to see so many people stand up to the bullshit that some ignorant racist "old man" posted. To justify the racist comment: I say that anyone who supports the war in Iraq thinks that there is some sort of difference between Bush bombing Iraq and AlQaeda bombing New York, and the only difference is in New York it was white people who were being murdered and in Baghdad its Arabs, therefore supporting the bombing of Iraq is racist. Anyway Im glad to see the support.
"Patriotism is only a very shabby, very narrow, very mercenary, and deeply antihuman passion, having for its object the preservation and maintenance of the power of the national state?that is, the mainstay of all the priveleges of the exploiters throughout the nation."
-Mikhail Bakunin
Old Man By the Sea wrote:
when a rogue regime has chemicals that they have used for warfare against its own people
White colonists murder MILLIONS of Native Americans, steal their land and round them up in "reservations" = good, good, Manifest Destiny, white man happy.
Saddam releases a chemical fart in Halabja = evil, evil, the psycho tyrant has to be murdered no matter how much it costs us.
Excellent rebuttal! Your posts are awesome.
old man by the sea we sound stupid? you said you would never buy france again. shut your mouth before you make asinine comments. as for what 16x said...dead on. we trained osama. we gave saddam support and money...you want to talk arrogant...g dub is cleanin out daddies closet.
boycott france?
so i know to assume that you will then ignore world champs 2003 meet from paris. i have quit track and run little a week, but i talk to us people and i know that us track team will show at world champs. will you all boycott team then? remember that france helped us in revolution 1776!
ah, america
where "xenophobia" is the fear of warrior princesses...
Talk about xenophobia. Native Americans were murdering each other long before white settlers arrived. Native Americans continued then directed their violent ways against innocent white settlers before they were put down.
Whatever happened to honoring diversity?
Again..little boys who have a little college under their belt...no real life experince..and having read some Marx..or somebody else...all of the sudden your world experts..your not..the racist comment..you couldnt sound any dumber...I mean you guys are clowns..complete with face paint...This is the same old left wing comments that have been around for years..you dont bring anything to the table..just the same old rhetoric...you didnt address my points...when Saddam uses chemical weapons against the USA..maybe youll wake up and smell the coffee..but somehow I doubt it...he used it against Iran and the Kurds...I guess thats ok with you boys...If you really belived what you were saying..you would go suit up...and fight for Iraq...but you have no balls..your little boys..with big mouths..You are ill informed...hysterical..without honor or courage..if you had courage or honor..youd either fight for Iraq or move to France...and you and your buddies could talk about the holacust and say it never happened...Only in America could you spout such dribble ..