Say you round up a truly elite all-star team of the very best WNBA players. You put them in a camp for 6 months and allowed them to fully engage with each other. You then take that supremely great team and put them up against the best NCAA team like Duke. In a best of 5 series could that team of WNBA superstars beat the Duke team?
Think of a USA Female Olympic 4x1 team vs the Cali State Boys HS Champs. Those "boys" would destroy the Olympians.
Same thing in basketball.
A female MMA fighter can handle a male non MMA fighter, but in with a male MMA fighter, it's a no contest.
They could not beat a top twenty high school us team in New Jersey.
Whatley wrote:
Think of a USA Female Olympic 4x1 team vs the Cali State Boys HS Champs. Those "boys" would destroy the Olympians.
Same thing in basketball.
A female MMA fighter can handle a male non MMA fighter, but in with a male MMA fighter, it's a no contest.
The USA national team ran the fastest American time of all time of 40.82 in 2012. Fort Worth Hyatt ran 39.76 in 1998 for best prep time.
In soccer, the US women's national team plays good local high school teams. These teams are good, but not the best in the area where the women's national team trains. The women are always whooped, rarely even scoring a goal. In basketball, a sport that requires height and power, the result would be even more lopsided. Against a men's college team, the women's national basketball team would be embarrassed. To put that in perspective, college women's teams scrimmage against guys who are not good enough to make the school team - intramural and club players.
lmb wrote:
It should say top twenty high school in New Jersey.
correct. Physiological differences between the sexes are just too high to make a men/boys vs women competition competitive. Women come closest to matching men's ability in endurance sports, and even then men still have a physiological advantage in multiday long competitions.
No, because the all-star college players eventually become NBA players.
Also, no I don't think they can beat the top 20 high school teams. Those guys are still going to be bigger and faster than the WNBA players on average.
Now things get interesting at the middle school level. Maybe they'd beat the middle school teams but even that's a stretch since the kids are going to be pretty fast and depending on the grade, many might have started their growth spurt.
Tinkerbelle Belle wrote:
Say you round up a truly elite all-star team of the very best WNBA players. You put them in a camp for 6 months and allowed them to fully engage with each other. You then take that supremely great team and put them up against the best NCAA team like Duke. In a best of 5 series could that team of WNBA superstars beat the Duke team?
No.
I have worked at the USOC and got to go to practices where the women trying out for the national team were playing. Often the coaches would bring in okay college players to play and those guys would do ok---not win, but keep it close. I am pretty confident that a team with a lot of future NBA players would handle them quite well.
Your points are spot on. The guys are going to be a lot faster and as soon as one drives and sends a female player flying, they'll be accused of being too hard on the women or some other PC stuff. People forget that basketball has some full contact situations at times. Imagine Shaq driving to the hoop against a female player...or even Zion Williamson who is only 19 or 20, college-aged. It would be no contest. Also, as height increases coordination favors men more than women so these guys are going to be taller and able to get rebounds quicker.
Kvothe wrote:
In soccer, the US women's national team plays good local high school teams. These teams are good, but not the best in the area where the women's national team trains. The women are always whooped, rarely even scoring a goal. In basketball, a sport that requires height and power, the result would be even more lopsided. Against a men's college team, the women's national basketball team would be embarrassed. To put that in perspective, college women's teams scrimmage against guys who are not good enough to make the school team - intramural and club players.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Your points are spot on. The guys are going to be a lot faster and as soon as one drives and sends a female player flying, they'll be accused of being too hard on the women or some other PC stuff.
People forget that basketball has some full contact situations at times. Imagine Shaq driving to the hoop against a female player...or even Zion Williamson who is only 19 or 20, college-aged. It would be no contest.
Also, as height increases coordination favors men more than women so these guys are going to be taller and able to get rebounds quicker.
Kvothe wrote:
In soccer, the US women's national team plays good local high school teams. These teams are good, but not the best in the area where the women's national team trains. The women are always whooped, rarely even scoring a goal. In basketball, a sport that requires height and power, the result would be even more lopsided. Against a men's college team, the women's national basketball team would be embarrassed. To put that in perspective, college women's teams scrimmage against guys who are not good enough to make the school team - intramural and club players.
Remember when Shaq took a swing at that player but fortunately is missed. Imagine him hitting a lady player weighing 130 pounds. Would not be pretty.
Tinkerbelle Belle wrote:
Whatley wrote:
Think of a USA Female Olympic 4x1 team vs the Cali State Boys HS Champs. Those "boys" would destroy the Olympians.
Same thing in basketball.
A female MMA fighter can handle a male non MMA fighter, but in with a male MMA fighter, it's a no contest.
The USA national team ran the fastest American time of all time of 40.82 in 2012. Fort Worth Hyatt ran 39.76 in 1998 for best prep time.
Cali sub 40.90
Muir S 40.35 400R 1997 40.35
1 LB Poly S 40.45 400R 1998 40.45
2 Serra S 40.62 400R 1998 40.62
1 Serra S 40.63 400R 1996 40.63
2 Muir S 40.64 400R 1996 40.64
2 Serra S 40.73 400R 1997 40.73
1 Muir S # 40.78 400R 1987 40.78
1 Skyline O 40.78 400R 1995 40.78
1 Eidson C 40.83 400R 1983 40.83
2 Hawthorne S 40.87 400R 1983 40.87
3 Edison C 40.90 400R 1997 40.90
1 Berkeley NC # 40.92 400R 1981 40.92
1 Berkeley NC 40.93 400R 1984 40.93
1 Vallejo SJ 40.94 400R 1999 40.94
3 University City SD 40.95 400R 1998 40.95
3 Berkeley NC 40.98 400R 1983 40.9
In a sport like basketball, you can have extremely crappy technical skills and still be a really great player because of your size or athleticism.
Since men are genetically more athletic at that level, the men will win 99% of the time.
Something like shooting or equestrian or sailing where you don’t need to be extremely athletic but rely more on technical skill the gap is pretty much nonexistent between men and women.
Were those guys actually pressing and bodying up on the women like they would do to other guys? I'd be surprised if they were
Luv2Run wrote:
Tinkerbelle Belle wrote:
Say you round up a truly elite all-star team of the very best WNBA players. You put them in a camp for 6 months and allowed them to fully engage with each other. You then take that supremely great team and put them up against the best NCAA team like Duke. In a best of 5 series could that team of WNBA superstars beat the Duke team?
No.
I have worked at the USOC and got to go to practices where the women trying out for the national team were playing. Often the coaches would bring in okay college players to play and those guys would do ok---not win, but keep it close. I am pretty confident that a team with a lot of future NBA players would handle them quite well.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
These are high school boys...
Whatley wrote:
Tinkerbelle Belle wrote:
The USA national team ran the fastest American time of all time of 40.82 in 2012. Fort Worth Hyatt ran 39.76 in 1998 for best prep time.
Cali sub 40.90
Muir S 40.35 400R 1997 40.35
1 LB Poly S 40.45 400R 1998 40.45
2 Serra S 40.62 400R 1998 40.62
1 Serra S 40.63 400R 1996 40.63
2 Muir S 40.64 400R 1996 40.64
2 Serra S 40.73 400R 1997 40.73
1 Muir S # 40.78 400R 1987 40.78
1 Skyline O 40.78 400R 1995 40.78
1 Eidson C 40.83 400R 1983 40.83
2 Hawthorne S 40.87 400R 1983 40.87
3 Edison C 40.90 400R 1997 40.90
1 Berkeley NC # 40.92 400R 1981 40.92
1 Berkeley NC 40.93 400R 1984 40.93
1 Vallejo SJ 40.94 400R 1999 40.94
3 University City SD 40.95 400R 1998 40.95
3 Berkeley NC 40.98 400R 1983 40.9
Pretty lackluster list.
39.76 Wyatt, Ft. Worth, Texas 1998
39.80 ————Wyatt 1998
39.80 Memorial, Port Arthur, Texas 2017
39.80 Seven Lakes, Katy, Texas 2018
39.82 ————Wyatt 1998
39.92 ————Wyatt 1998
39.95 Forest Brook, Houston, Texas 2001
39.98 The Woodlands, Texas 2018
39.99 ————Wyatt 1998
40.00 Marshall, Missouri City, Texas 2019
**10 performances by 6 schools**
40.05 Eisenhower, Houston, Texas 2006
40.06 Bowie, Arlington, Texas 2003
40.08 Manvel, Texas 2017
40.08 Cedar Hill, Texas 2018
Texas has about 15 teams with better times than the all-time best from Calif.
sizlin wrote:
In a sport like basketball, you can have extremely crappy technical skills and still be a really great player because of your size or athleticism.
Since men are genetically more athletic at that level, the men will win 99% of the time.
Something like shooting or equestrian or sailing where you don’t need to be extremely athletic but rely more on technical skill the gap is pretty much nonexistent between men and women.
Then why do they have separate events for those sports? If the technical gap is non-existent (which it isn't) why not put the men and women together?
If the college team has even one great big man they will just throw it down to him. Easy points all day. The same thing happens in one on one situations with big men vs guards. The men are simply faster, stronger, and taller. The top team in the NCAA would look something like Kentucky. No way any women's team could compete.
Tinkerbelle Belle wrote:
sizlin wrote:
In a sport like basketball, you can have extremely crappy technical skills and still be a really great player because of your size or athleticism.
Since men are genetically more athletic at that level, the men will win 99% of the time.
Something like shooting or equestrian or sailing where you don’t need to be extremely athletic but rely more on technical skill the gap is pretty much nonexistent between men and women.
Then why do they have separate events for those sports? If the technical gap is non-existent (which it isn't) why not put the men and women together?
I dunno. Look it up.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
If the college team has even one great big man they will just throw it down to him. Easy points all day. The same thing happens in one on one situations with big men vs guards. The men are simply faster, stronger, and taller. The top team in the NCAA would look something like Kentucky. No way any women's team could compete.
Margo Dydek is 7'2". You really think Lebron James wants any of that? He will shot jumpers all day long rather than driving on her.