Are there Cases where Top Runners have been falsely accused of doping ?

Um, ever heard of Lagat?

thanks ..never knew about the false accusation on him

Internetsherlock wrote:

thanks ..never knew about the false accusation on him

Same thing happened to Marion Jones the exact same year.

A sample tested positive, but B sample negative.

They were really out to get the Americans that year.

What about Butch Reynolds?

Yes! I've been accused of that, except for the top runner part.

Kiprop seem to be such a case.

Coevett wrote:

Internetsherlock wrote:

thanks ..never knew about the false accusation on him

Same thing happened to Marion Jones the exact same year.

A sample tested positive, but B sample negative.

They were really out to get the Americans that year.

Were these kind of mistakes intentionally done to affect the athletes or whats going on here ?

Internetsherlock wrote:

Not talking about someone spiking their drinks but an honest athlete whose blood/urine test were manipulated or some other reasons.

Almost everyday we hear about athletes doping but .... are the testing labs 100% accurate ? can someone please educate me on this issue ?

Here in these forums, top athletes are falsely accused on a continuous basis.

Lagat is a good example, with how the urine samples were handled. A "full report" can be found here at letsrun:

The "sportsscientists" allowed a guest post from Erik Boye, who has some strong criticism regarding how WADA labs does its testing, and the difficulties for an athlete being able to defend himself against conclusions from raw data that the WADA labs keep to themselves. You might not call them top athletes, but Erik Boye was involved in or aware of the cases of Norwegian speed-walker Erik Tysse, Czech triathlete Vojtech Sommer, German runner Benedikt Karus, and Irish Sprinter Steven Colvert.

You can start here, and click through all the links:

After reading this, you might wonder about the cases of other top athletes busted for EPO in their urine.

No because they are all doping.

Asbel Kiprop claims this is what happened to him, that the testers messed with his samples.

May be a lie, but it makes me think sometimes... What if the guy was clean and someone set him up?

You know, wouldn't be an absurd thing for someone to try to screw hit him, as he was at the very top of his game.

Or maybe he was just a cheater. Who will ever know?

It's just a little scary to think, that the testers have an athletes career in there hands. There should be better doping regulations on this sport, but that another subject.

KraftMacAndCheese wrote:

No because they are all doping.

Yea, more or less. Any one that approaches WR in the common T&F events is automatically suspect.

Kiprop is a great example. Flew too close to the sun with his 3:26:xx and utterly nonsensical tactics where he puts himself in a terrible spot and still wins.

Take out the times across the board from '92 to '04, and those of since busted dopers, and you get a world where breaking 3:50 in the mile is still hard to do, just like it was the mid '70s.

rekrunner wrote:

Internetsherlock wrote:

Not talking about someone spiking their drinks but an honest athlete whose blood/urine test were manipulated or some other reasons.

Almost everyday we hear about athletes doping but .... are the testing labs 100% accurate ? can someone please educate me on this issue ?

Here in these forums, top athletes are falsely accused on a continuous basis.

Lagat is a good example, with how the urine samples were handled.

So basically, there have been two world class 1500m runners who have falsely tested for EPO, and it just so happens they were the only two runners in history to run 3:26 after 2000 when EPO testing was first introduced - Lagat and Kiprop.

And both Kenyan.

Hmmm....

And in 2001, two athletes out of the hundreds or thousands tested came up with an A sample positive and a B sample negative - Marion Jones, sprinting insane times and subsequently revealed to be one of the dirtiest cheats in history, and Bernie Lagat, the fastest 1500 man ever other than full throttle El G.

Hmmm...

Lagat was having a very up and down season that year.

He also later tried to get compensation for loss of earnings as he was suspended and missed the rest of that season. The German court who heard his case turned him down.

The Bernard A sample positive is at least as damning as the collective circumstantial evidence pointing at Mo, yet Lagat gets a near complete pass here because he adopted American citizenship.

Don't you think it's suspicious that two American stars (Bernie was becoming American) test positive in the same summer and then negative, when we know for a fact that American stars had been protected since at least Carl Lewis?

https://www.letsrun.com/2003/lagatepo.php#:~:text=Bernard%20Lagat%20Tests%20Positive%20for%20EPO&text=The%20Daily%20Nation%20newspaper%20in,prior%20to%20the%20World%20Championships

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Lagat was cleared because he switched nationalities to USA. Sorry to have to state the obvious.

Coevett wrote:

Same thing happened to Marion Jones the exact same year.

A sample tested positive, but B sample negative.

Jones wasn't falsely accused; she was guilty beyond any doubt. Even plead guilty. She was one of the dirtiest American sprinters ever in my opinion. Even during the times when she tested clean she seemed to always be involved with people who were busted for drug use or distribution. Tim Mongomery, CJ Hunter, Victor Conte, Steve Riddick, etc.

You clearly didn’t read the report on the investigation into Lagat’s false A sample. You’re spewing nonsense.

Time for a history lesson.

Three people ran 3:26 after 2000, not two. El G hit 3:26 once in 2001 (he beat Lagat in Brussels) and twice in 2002.

Your statement that Lagat was having an "up and down" season is pure fantasy. He was consistently in the top 3 and his peak was clearly timed for Worlds. Very similar to his progression in '01.

The reason no one gives Mo a pass is because in addition to being an obvious cheat, he's a total piece of sh*t. And what exactly does Lagat need a pass for anyway? He's never failed a drug test.

there will always be false positives. to come up with a test that doesn't yield some false positives would miss too many actual positive results.

you make a trade-off when you design the test limits. no way around it

cram = goat commentator wrote:

Time for a history lesson.

Three people ran 3:26 after 2000, not two. El G hit 3:26 once in 2001 (he beat Lagat in Brussels) and twice in 2002.

Your statement that Lagat was having an "up and down" season is pure fantasy. He was consistently in the top 3 and his peak was clearly timed for Worlds. Very similar to his progression in '01.

The reason no one gives Mo a pass is because in addition to being an obvious cheat, he's a total piece of sh*t. And what exactly does Lagat need a pass for anyway? He's never failed a drug test.

3.26 is doped.