Meh
Meh
Coevett goes home DEVASTATED
Wouldn't call it perfect pacing to PR. Perfect pacing to run a feel-good effort for sure. He came through at 52.9 or thereabout for the first lap. If he's trying to run 1:45 high, that's at least .5 seconds too slow. You want to positive split a little bit more than he did.
Perfect? He should have had 1:44-45 in him right now, but the pacing of the first lap was clearly too slow.
terrible pacing about a second too slow through 400m. The pacer should have stepped off then as well!
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Perfect? He should have had 1:44-45 in him right now, but the pacing of the first lap was clearly too slow.
Yeah, that's why he negative-split it... Oh wait, 52 high + 53 high
cadena wrote:
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Perfect? He should have had 1:44-45 in him right now, but the pacing of the first lap was clearly too slow.
Yeah, that's why he negative-split it... Oh wait, 52 high + 53 high
Pacing was ideal for him, people don't understand that it was a great race for him. He doesn't have the speed to run much faster in the 800m. Lagat couldn't break 1:46 in 25+ 800m races, and Jakob runs 1:46 in his first serious race. Not gonna get much better than that, but it could have been a lot worse if he went out too hard and dies during the 2nd lap.
He doesn't have the raw speed to go out like a Rudisha. His strength is he can keep up a high, steady pace, which he has shown.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Pacing was ideal for him, people don't understand that it was a great race for him. He doesn't have the speed to run much faster in the 800m. Lagat couldn't break 1:46 in 25+ 800m races, and Jakob runs 1:46 in his first serious race. Not gonna get much better than that, but it could have been a lot worse if he went out too hard and dies during the 2nd lap.
He doesn't have the raw speed to go out like a Rudisha. His strength is he can keep up a high, steady pace, which he has shown.
I'd quibble a bit with this. He doesn't have the speed now it is true. Jakob is young and could develop his speed. See Matthew Centrowitz whose PBs were 3:31.9 and 1:47.7 in 2012. He worked on his speed the next few years and dropped his 800 PB to 1:44.62. It doesn't seem like Lagat made dropping a fast 800 ever a high priority. Since he could close the 800 of a championship 1500 in 1:46.6 I think 1:46.00 is not his actual physiological limit.
Of course, Jakob shouldn't go out in 49.xx like Rudisha. 52.9/53.5 are not ideal splits for anyone to run a PB. If/when he runs the 800 again there is room for improvement if he goes out in 52.0-52.5 and has competitors to chase.
cadena wrote:
Sledge_Hammer wrote:
Perfect? He should have had 1:44-45 in him right now, but the pacing of the first lap was clearly too slow.
Yeah, that's why he negative-split it... Oh wait, 52 high + 53 high
yes but the pacer slowed them even more from 400-600m
cadena wrote:
Meh
+1
Decent time...
Wizard of Oz would have him sub 1:44 by the end of the month!
1:46 for the so-called best runner in the history of the world?
He couldn't even win NCAAs.
It is amazing how some of you show that you are not very bright yet you still have to comment. The pacing for Jakob was very good. It was very good, I repeat. Many of you live in la la land, so when somebody runs a good but realistic time that does not match your fairy take, you cannot deal with reality so you nitpick about how the pacing was not ideal. We do not live in the world of the ideal. Jakob ran well and the pacing was very good.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Pacing was ideal for him, people don't understand that it was a great race for him. He doesn't have the speed to run much faster in the 800m. Lagat couldn't break 1:46 in 25+ 800m races, and Jakob runs 1:46 in his first serious race. Not gonna get much better than that, but it could have been a lot worse if he went out too hard and dies during the 2nd lap.
He doesn't have the raw speed to go out like a Rudisha. His strength is he can keep up a high, steady pace, which he has shown.
I'd quibble a bit with this. He doesn't have the speed now it is true. Jakob is young and could develop his speed. See Matthew Centrowitz whose PBs were 3:31.9 and 1:47.7 in 2012. He worked on his speed the next few years and dropped his 800 PB to 1:44.62. It doesn't seem like Lagat made dropping a fast 800 ever a high priority. Since he could close the 800 of a championship 1500 in 1:46.6 I think 1:46.00 is not his actual physiological limit.
Of course, Jakob shouldn't go out in 49.xx like Rudisha. 52.9/53.5 are not ideal splits for anyone to run a PB. If/when he runs the 800 again there is room for improvement if he goes out in 52.0-52.5 and has competitors to chase.
He did have competitors to chase. He ran behind Filip for 750m!
Maybe we were watching different races. Pacer went through in 52.5 and dropped out then Jakob chased Filip all the way home until Filip ran out of steam right at the end and Jakob edged past.
Perfect conditions, perfect pacing (100% requested by Gjert), perfect race.
Could not have had a better set-up race for Jakob. He celebrated at the finish, clearly pleased with the time. Might remain his PB for his career.
Still a decent run but shows exactly what everyone who knows about athletics thought; Jakob is a distance man and will excel at the 15/5k, but is not a Coe/Ovett/Cram (as one crazy poster thinks).
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Wouldn't call it perfect pacing to PR. Perfect pacing to run a feel-good effort for sure. He came through at 52.9 or thereabout for the first lap. If he's trying to run 1:45 high, that's at least .5 seconds too slow. You want to positive split a little bit more than he did.
If you’re trying to run 1:45 high then 1:46.4 is about .5 seconds too slow
everybody knows wrote:
Coevett goes home DEVASTATED
Little red Coevett
Baby you're much too fast
Little red Coevett
Honey you got to slow down
El Guerrouj's only 800m was a 1:47.18 back in 1995 when he was a 3:31.16 guy, so I think Jakob did just fine.
Coevett goes DEVASTATED. He was saying that Jakob was already better than Aouita HAHAHAHAHA, he doesn't even have a single pr better than Aouita. He was also saying that Jakob had more speed than El Guerrouj hahahaha, El guerrouj negative split alone a 1:46 800 at the end of his 1500m race in 2004. Jakob ran 1:46.5 in a perfect race, he was drafting behind Filip for 750m, he had a pacer, he had perfect split (small positive split, perfect for an endurance monster like him), it was his only race in days, and yet he couldn't even run as fast of an 800m as El Guerrouj ran at the end of a 3:34 1500m, front running alone the whole 800m, negative splitting it, without pacer, after 3 races (1500m H and SF and 5000m H). But yeah ! Jakob has more speed than El Guerrouj ! And El Guerrouj is a doped up scumbag who didn't even have the 800m speed to run a 3:30 flat 1500m without EPO ! (yes because Coevett claims that El Guerrouj is just a 3:34 guy on EPO, and that's why he didn't run the 800m) Give me a break !
Don't get me wrong, I love Jakob a lot more than them, I'm sure he will run an incredibly fast 1500m and even get close to the world record and maybe break it, I believe 800m speed doesn't have much correlation with 1500m speed in a slow twitch runner. But then again, you have to be realistic, Jakob is a human, he can't be great over 800m AND over 5000m, and if you say otherwise, you have no clue about what's threshold training and how he is training (Like a lot of you don't seem to understand what's threshold training and don't have much knowledge in genetic and body reactions to training). He's still a teenager, he has the time to improve, but you can't always hype him up the hardcore way and say b*llshit like "he already has one of the greatest range of all time" or "he has a better range than Aouita". You have to accept that Jakob is a human, and I'm sure that if he knew what you announce for him, it would bother him even more, because when you say that he runs as fast as Aouita and then he runs 1:46:5, it makes his run look crap, while it's a great effort for him, a 3 seconds PR, and I'm sure he's proud of that run and even more of beating his brother.
So El G was faster at age 19?
Well, he´s atleast of the opinion himself that he has proven himself. Vebjørn Rodal was one of the people saying that he was too slow. From the interview post race:
"I think many people see me differently now as a 1.46-runner than a 1.49. There is a pretty big difference with those three seconds, even if it doesn´t seem like much. It is pretty nice to get rid of the myth that I am very slow. I show what I can do today, and it´s more than good enough for 1500" - Jakob
Brazilian Guy wrote:
El Guerrouj's only 800m was a 1:47.18 back in 1995 when he was a 3:31.16 guy, so I think Jakob did just fine.
Thanks for the statistics :
Jakob : 3:30:16 (and that's not even accurate because he's surely in sub 3:30 shape this season) - > 1:46:4
= 1,97 ratio from 800m to 1500m
El Guerrouj : 3:31:16 - > 1:47.18
= 1.97 ratio from 800m to 1500m
But yeah, according to Coevett, the evil El Guerrouj is a non talented runner without any speed, doped to the gills, who only wins because he has the endurance to sustain most of his slow 800m speed, over 1500m, thanks to EPO
But Jakob, who has the same endurance ability, is the cleanest of the cleanest runner to ever live (after the british gods Coe Ovett and Cram).