Now masks may protect the wearer. They lied before More lies now?

It protects both the wearer and other people. This is NOT a new discovery. There is new science on this, including on the SARS-CoV-2 virus specifically, but the older science on respiratory diseases and masks already informed people that they would work. Those respiratory germs are carried by droplets of various sizes, the smallest of which are aerosols. Those droplets that carry germs that get sprayed and breathed out of peoples mouths are always there. The germs are might different, and it takes different amounts of germ particles for different germs to infect someone, but the droplet carrier is the same.

The S. Korean expert on the pandemic said early on in a youtube interview that the science was already settled on masks on before this pandemic even began, citing previous research, such as during SARS. The US health expert idiots seem to think they have to re-study or re-do everything on their own before taking action. They should have taken a lesson from history, even history from the US 100 years ago, when masks were an important tool. All the Asian countries were quick/immediate on using masks. They have all faired well.

Here is a video from 2017 asking why Japanese people wear masks. The first guy says they've been wearing masks for 100 years (since 1919 Spanish Flu pandemic). The other answers mention not spreading their own germs, avoiding flu, avoid getting sick from others, etc. That shows you they knew (in 2017) exactly what you are saying you just learned now. The concept in the US seems to have been that Asians were weird for using masks, as if it was a superstitious action to wear masks. This video shows that they a specific reason behind it - to avoid spreading and catching disease.

https://youtu.be/ZeBU6rFcAzA

Another troll thread that will get 10 pages. Congratulations LRC.

So the "medical authorities" in the US knew this very well but at first said masks do nothing. Then masks only protect others. Now it's masks protect others and may protect the wearer.

Why isn't everyone in the streets?

Are you an idiot? Do you need to be told that masks help protect the wearer. For months we watched the medical professionals, who dealt with the infected, wearing PPE's, personal protection equipment. Why would they wear PPE's if it was to only protect people already infected? It was obvious that they were trying to prevent a run on masks, leaving the Doctors and nurses without enough for themselves. You don't have to be a genius to see the obvious.

3:48 in that video.

Asked, "What do you think foreigners would say if they saw you with a mask on?" Japanese guy, says, "Maybe they think we have a cold." Interviewer: "Did you know people in Western culture don't tend to put on masks?" Japanese guy, "Even if you have a cold?" Interviewer: "That's right." Japanese guy, "Really?" He was genuinely shocked by that answer.

drths wrote:

Now they are saying masks may protect the wearer. They said this is new finding. I don't believe they didn't know this before, even it's if it's true. Is this more lies? They tell us this to wear masks to protect others (which is a good thing!) but lie that it may protect us, too? If so revolution now! Even if not revolution now!

Yes - doctors, medical professionals and just intelligent people in general have been wearing masks for years to protect both themselves (from becoming sick) and others (from becoming sick). The fact that wearing a mask - literally one of the easiest things you can do - is such a political arguement tells you all you need to know about America - as well as why we lead the world in COVID cases.

Either that or you deserve a 9 out of 10. I’d give you a 10 but there are plenty of people dumb enough to post this unironically.

drths wrote:

Now they are saying masks may protect the wearer. They said this is new finding. I don't believe they didn't know this before, even it's if it's true. Is this more lies? They tell us this to wear masks to protect others (which is a good thing!) but lie that it may protect us, too? If so revolution now! Even if not revolution now!

You're a boob

drths wrote:

So the "medical authorities" in the US knew this very well but at first said masks do nothing. Then masks only protect others. Now it's masks protect others and may protect the wearer.

Why isn't everyone in the streets?

I didn't believe the CDC's public position right from the start. It made no sense. I also knew right away they were screwing things up by not doing early surveillance on the spread of the virus in January and February. To me, they were obviously blinding themselves by not acquiring and using already available test kits while the were blotching the rollout of the CDC test kit. They acted like they had an ego, not allowing the states to use other test kits in the interim before their own test kits were up and running. Also the restrictions on who could be tested, making it hard to get a test, was obviously putting a blindfold on themselves.

CDC director Redfield was appointed by Trump. From wikipedia: "He was nominated for the post by President Donald Trump, after the President's first appointee resigned in scandal. His nomination was considered controversial, and was opposed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which cited Redfield's lack of experience administering a public health agency, his history of scientific misconduct, and his religious advocacy in response to a public health crisis."

Like I said, it was obvious that the CDC was compromised early on. I looked for technical information from a wide variety of other sources that weren't trying to hide things - experts in Asia, and US experts like Osterholm and Hotez, who aren't under the thumb of Trump.

I am a scientist/engineer and have a lot of training on working with hazardous things/using PPE, so the mask statements the CDC were obviously false to me from the start. (So masks protect doctors, but not you? Get out of here.)

And yet despite all their mask-wearing, among the population over age 65, Japan has 20-50% higher flu/pneumonia mortality than the U.S.

"On average, over the entire period studied, crude excess mortality rates were higher in Japan than in the US (19 v. 16 per 100000, respectively)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210121/

This is anything but "settled science". In fact that phrase is an oxymoron for all of science in any case.

YMMV wrote:

And yet despite all their mask-wearing, among the population over age 65, Japan has 20-50% higher flu/pneumonia mortality than the U.S.

"On average, over the entire period studied, crude excess mortality rates were higher in Japan than in the US (19 v. 16 per 100000, respectively)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210121/

This is anything but "settled science". In fact that phrase is an oxymoron for all of science in any case.

Why even post this? Are you trying to prove that masks don’t work at reducing transmission? Because they definitively do. There are a million reasons Japan could have higher mortality regarding flu/pneumonia - access to facilities and pollution are two possibilities off the top of my head.

Let’s say - just as a hypothetical - that masks work but are less effective than researchers believe. Wouldn’t it STILL be worth it to take two seconds to throw one on when you head out the door? Especially if you’re going somewhere indoors? I don’t understand the resistance in this instance.

old guy 74 wrote:

Are you an idiot? Do you need to be told that masks help protect the wearer. For months we watched the medical professionals, who dealt with the infected, wearing PPE's, personal protection equipment. Why would they wear PPE's if it was to only protect people already infected? It was obvious that they were trying to prevent a run on masks, leaving the Doctors and nurses without enough for themselves. You don't have to be a genius to see the obvious.

Don't yell at him. There have been dozens if not hundreds of posts on here where the poster stated that masks protect others, not the wearer. Just watch, there will be dozens more. It's demented, but every thread on this has a few people who post that as if they are patiently explaining it to the ignorant masses.

zzzz wrote:

It protects both the wearer and other people. This is NOT a new discovery.

It is on this board. Every thread on masks has some idiot who says with conviction that masks protect others, not the wearer. As if masks were designed like electronic diodes and only prevented flow one way. Idiotic how people just repeat common sense defying nonsense over and over.

"You're a boob"

The purpose of my post was a legitimate question but it was also a call to revolution. You're the boob if you're not either in the streets (with a mask) or being part to make the world a truly enjoyable place for everyone. It's time

"From wikipedia: "He was nominated for"

With all respect, Wikipedia does have a lot of factual information on it but it should not be used as an authoritative source of information. There's also a lot of really bad information on it. Just like a lot of information from the government. The only difference is some information disseminated from the government is designed to harm.

The CDC initially said that masks provided no protection. Fauci then admitted that we were lied to because they wanted to save the masks for health care workers. Even now, the CDC says that masks may not protect the wearer.

drths wrote:

Now they are saying masks may protect the wearer. They said this is new finding. I don't believe they didn't know this before, even it's if it's true. Is this more lies? They tell us this to wear masks to protect others (which is a good thing!) but lie that it may protect us, too? If so revolution now! Even if not revolution now!

You first!

I predicated the protests on this forum way before they started. So I'll go first and say:

This is the time for everyone to be part. No one person gets all the recognition like in past revolutions. Each person gets all the recognition.

drths wrote:

"You're a boob"

The purpose of my post was a legitimate question but it was also a call to revolution. You're the boob if you're not either in the streets (with a mask) or being part to make the world a truly enjoyable place for everyone. It's time

The purpose of your post was to demonstrate that you're a boob and you succeeded.

You are free to accept your well earned kudos.

Yes. Even though Fauci said no need for them. They are a saving grace, but they do help. I wear mine daily. Not a big deal to do so.