Which one do you think is more doable and which one of the doubles would be more impressive to pull off?
Which one do you think is more doable and which one of the doubles would be more impressive to pull off?
just some jogging thoughts wrote:
Which one do you think is more doable and which one of the doubles would be more impressive to pull off?
The 10k/steeple double has been many times at the college level (including me). The 400h/800 double is rare, and rare for a good reason. There are very few who could pull that one off.
agreed many times college runners have pulled the 10k/steeple double or 5k/steeple double. but finding someone with a 400-800 range to pull this double is not easy. there are some good guys currently in college with solid 400-800 range: guys like Devin Dexin: 400m: 45.22, 800: 1:44 or Donavon Brazier: 400: 47, 800m: 1:42.
I once did a 10000m/ Steeple/ 400mh/ 4 X 400 Quadruple in a small NAIA meet.
ooppsss didn't realize it was 400h, thought it was just 400m. anyways I think Rai Benjamin could put on a good show with 400h/800 double he has PRs of 400m: 44.31 and 600m: 1:22.4 not sure what he can run on 800m?
400h and 800
400h/800, the requirements can hardly be mastered: technique, speed, endurance.
the 400h/800 goat: harald schmid. what a range:
200 m – 20,68 s (1987) / 400 m – 44,92 s (1979) / 800 m – 1:44,83 min (1987) / 400 m hurdles – 47,48 s (1982 and 1987)
The Steeple/10k double has been done successfully at International levels as well never mind collegiate.
Francesco Panetta won a medal in both in the '87 WC
David Patrick won NCAA titles at 800 and 400h (not at the same meet) and attempted the double at the trials.
just some jogging thoughts wrote:
Which one do you think is more doable and which one of the doubles would be more impressive to pull off?
Typically the best 10,000 runner is better than the best steepler anyway. It’s more of a matter of whether they want to do the double than if they are capable of winning both.
Joey Woody was a gold and silver medalist at World Champs and was NCAA champ. He ran 47 in 400 hurdles and 1:47 in the 800. He was world record holder in the 4x800.
TheXCrunner wrote:
agreed many times college runners have pulled the 10k/steeple double or 5k/steeple double. but finding someone with a 400-800 range to pull this double is not easy. there are some good guys currently in college with solid 400-800 range: guys like Devin Dexin: 400m: 45.22, 800: 1:44 or Donavon Brazier: 400: 47, 800m: 1:42.
Re-read the thread title, it says 400h/800 double, not 400/800 double. Both doubles would be difficult.
Henry Rono was a pretty good 10000/Steeple guy back in the day. I don't think he ever attempted a double at those events in a big meet due to age/boycotts/etc.
just some jogging thoughts wrote:
Which one do you think is more doable and which one of the doubles would be more impressive to pull off?
Depends on the meet schedule.
10K/Steeple wrote:
Henry Rono was a pretty good 10000/Steeple guy back in the day. I don't think he ever attempted a double at those events in a big meet due to age/boycotts/etc.
He ran a WR in the steeple in May and in the 10000 in June, during the same year.
That he did! The peak of Rono's running career was the 1978 season. In a span of only 81 days, he broke four world records: 10,000 m (27:22.5), the 5000 m (13:08.4), the 3000 m steeplechase (8:05.4), and the 3000 m (7:32.1); an achievement unparalleled in the history of distance running. I also had the pleasure of racing against him (ok, I was in the race) that year. I was very close to him and had him in my sights. Then the starter fired the gun! At least I can say he didn't lap me!
Especially on the womens’ side, the best 400H runners would be excellent at 800. After Dalilah Muhammad set the world record there was a SI article last summer about her training. During fall training she would do “12 x 400-meter sessions with 60 seconds rest. Each lap had to be run between 70 and 72 seconds. She would nail the times and come back the next day to run a mile time trial anywhere from 5:07 to 5:17. For 800-meter work, she could comfortably run 2:06 and she believed in a race, she’d dip under two minutes.” Georganne Moline also trained for 800 a little bit last winter and ran around 2:07 IIRC, and Sydney McLaughlin would definitely be a beast at 800 if given the opportunity.
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10K/Steeple wrote:
That he did! The peak of Rono's running career was the 1978 season. In a span of only 81 days, he broke four world records: 10,000 m (27:22.5), the 5000 m (13:08.4), the 3000 m steeplechase (8:05.4), and the 3000 m (7:32.1); an achievement unparalleled in the history of distance running. I also had the pleasure of racing against him (ok, I was in the race) that year. I was very close to him and had him in my sights. Then the starter fired the gun! At least I can say he didn't lap me!
In the 1978 NCAAs he ran heats of 8:18 and 13:21, which were both extremely fast times then, on the same day. He could have easily run a 10000 on the first day of a meet and then a heat and a final in the steeplechase.