LetsRun.com's High School and College Summer Training Program is Here! & John Kellogg is Back

How does the money back guarantee work?

hithere wrote:

How does the money back guarantee work?

If you're not satisfied, you tell us and we refund all your money. We're confident you'll get a lot out of this.

kingojamin wrote:

Seems like a bad summer to do it when the fall racing season is in question.

I disagree with this a lot. 1) Whether there is an official school racing season or not, to be really successful at running you need to be doing it year round and you need to continue to improve. The summer is when high school kids in particular lay a foundation of success for not only cross country but also their future seasons.

Especially for someone trying to get recruited, they need to continue to improve. So they need to continue to get in better shape.

Personally I think we'll have high school sports this fall in a lot of places, but if we don't, running is the one sport people can continue to do on their own. Athletes can go out and time trial and impress a coach. Or if you are just a beginner you can still lay the foundation this summer. We want you to learn what it means to be a runner. Then when school track does resume you will have a head start on everyone who didn't stay in shape.

If a high school athlete decides "hey I won't run this summer" as I'm not sure there will be a season that is exactly the attitude someone shouldn't have. Summer running is the key to success in the fall. Base training should be done this summer no matter.

But with the money back guarantee I guess someone could train all summer, and then if they were unhappy the school season got cancelled a week before the program ends, ask for a refund. I'd hope they'd get so much out of it they wouldn't do that.

But since parents are the ones paying for high schoolers I didn't think I'd need to convince them their kids need to train over the summer but I probably do.

what kind of moran is going to pay 150 bucks for your training plan when this very website has countless threads discussing training, including many with input from successful professional coaches

What about us adult runners? I would totally be interested in a program for us runners in our 30s that still love running and racing. Maybe for road 5ks or club XC events 8k-10k ?

I've always wondered what JK training plan would be like, from what I've read on this website over the years he seems like a running genius.

RunCzar wrote:

What about us adult runners? I would totally be interested in a program for us runners in our 30s that still love running and racing. Maybe for road 5ks or club XC events 8k-10k ?

I've always wondered what JK training plan would be like, from what I've read on this website over the years he seems like a running genius.

I thought about this after the logo hyping the program went live. I realized it doesn’t say high school or college. And then I thought ‘there are probably a lot of adults who might want a running base endurance phase program over the summer’ especially during covid when they may not know what event to focus on in fall.’

We’ll talk it over.

Dr Yuengling wrote:

what kind of moran is going to pay 150 bucks for your training plan when this very website has countless threads discussing training, including many with input from successful professional coaches

Under that theory why would anyone hire a coach for just about anything? Just figure out whatever it is by yourself via Reddit.

That’s like asking why would a student pay for a SAT class when there are forums discussing how to study for the SAT. They’ll pay because they want some structure and /or think the professionals they are paying will get them to a higher level than if they did it themselves .

People pay professionals a) so they don’t have to spend the time figuring it out themselves and b) because the professionals know more about it then they do - they can help them reach a higher level .

Yes the basics of training are out there. People are free to put them together but a lot of runners want to more than that. I’d think that applies even more to younger runners who don’t have a lot of experience and don’t even know where to begin.

Sorry, this is a repeat question from an email I sent you guys. I thought it might be helpful to anyone else who had similar questions. Feel free to answer either since it is a copy and paste:

I actually recently made a thread asking for John Kellogg's coaching help, and though no one really replied, it's almost like you guys answered it! I've read many of JK's threads and comments on training and really look up to them by implementation to my own running. I'm even more enthusiastic in getting all of your personal insights into training and recovery, but I had a few questions first.

So first, for context, I'd like you to know that I'm a high school student moving into to my senior year. I'm hoping to make the best of my last season but also want to do whatever it takes to ensure that I continue to run well into college and maybe even post-college. I'm not extremely talented: my PRs are 4:57 (full-mile), 10:29 (2 mile) 17:23 (5k XC), and 2:11 (800m). I began ramping up the mileage in the winter off-season from doing routinely in the mid-40s to mid-50's and eventually peaked with a highest week of 75 miles. The average during that training period, a guess, would be around 62 miles. After a break from running, I plan on peaking at 80 miles this summer with an average of around 65 miles. Do you think that this is too quick of a transition in workload? If you were to create a plan for me, what would the mileage look like?

If the racing season is cancelled you should extend the programme out to Turkey Trot Season free of charge.

With that being said could you offer a programme for training for peak trot?

PS-You should also have a modified summer training schedule marketed towards coaches.

I'm glad my college coach never told me not to go on letsrun. Many coaches fear this site because learning basic approaches to training will expose them as frauds. Some fear their training will be offered for free by their athletes or that a pissing match will be started between teams on letsrun. No good coach would encourage athletes to avoid the training advice offered on letsrun.

Rojo was a successful coach at Cornell and coached many athletes including Bruce Hyde to success. Base training is pretty simple and most who've had good coaching in the past have already worked out a plan for the summer with their coaches, but there are a lot of bad coaches out there with a lot of bad plans and some people who want more than just "do the summer of malmo".

Kudos Wejo and Rojo. Sounds like a great program!

Smoke weed, talk shiit like Lane Kiffin wrote:

Who?

Dude invented Corn Flakes, that's who!

What have you invented?

wejo wrote:

RunCzar wrote:

What about us adult runners? I would totally be interested in a program for us runners in our 30s that still love running and racing. Maybe for road 5ks or club XC events 8k-10k ?

I've always wondered what JK training plan would be like, from what I've read on this website over the years he seems like a running genius.

I thought about this after the logo hyping the program went live. I realized it doesn’t say high school or college. And then I thought ‘there are probably a lot of adults who might want a running base endurance phase program over the summer’ especially during covid when they may not know what event to focus on in fall.’

We’ll talk it over.

Seems like an adult could just do the same training? Fit is fit.

davey

That's not a good comparison. The professionals in this case are you guys + Kellogg. So basically Kellog's training philosophy. Which has been detailed on these forums by the man himself. the linked google doc in the thread here:

contains hundreds of pages of posts from Kellogg, along with sample workouts, weeks of training, etc. I am pointing out that paying for letsrun to coach you gets you access to training that is already provided on letsrun for free.

I'm sure some people will still pay for it, and I stand by my statement that they're idiots.

Dr Yuengling wrote:

That's not a good comparison. The professionals in this case are you guys + Kellogg. So basically Kellog's training philosophy. Which has been detailed on these forums by the man himself. the linked google doc in the thread here:

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4522022#4522022

contains hundreds of pages of posts from Kellogg, along with sample workouts, weeks of training, etc. I am pointing out that paying for letsrun to coach you gets you access to training that is already provided on letsrun for free.

Have you never had a coach of your own?

Much of the value is in having a plan drawn up that you can follow.

Sure John Kellogg has written things on running before and so have tons of other coaches . People are free to try and come up with their own daily schedules from that information. But many people don’t want to do that or can’t do that.

It’s like saying John Wooden has written a book on basketball you can just read the book. No need for an actual coach.

Running is a bit different as it’s an individual sport . But under your logic no runners should hire coaches . They even if in high school can come up with their own plan just as good as experts. I’d say that person is more the exception for sure. It took me years to understand this sport and I’d still want a training plan from someone else if I was trying to compete today.

So you’re planning on writing individualized training plans for paying customers you know nothing about? Makes sense.

Runner10287 wrote:

So you’re planning on writing individualized training plans for paying customers you know nothing about? Makes sense.

We have everyone fill out a running questionnaire that has their running history, Prs, goals, etc so we do know something about them.

Question, why do people always want something for free? I’ve been coming to this site for almost 10yrs (wow, can’t believe it) and I’ve gotten great wealth of knowledge /insight on running/training, entertainment, financial and other misc info. Most importantly, what brought me here was for the running community.

If this training program that the Brojos & Kellogg were offering back when my kids were in HS, I would have paid for the plan. I would feel like, it’s way a to support the site after all the years of them not making this a paid site. Frankly, I think 145.00 is a pretty good price for the whole training program. I’m sure you would pay a lot more from other expert/professional coaches.

This isn't about wanting something for free, its about it already being available for free. Do you pay for bottled water at your house even though you have tap water which is the same thing?

I can totally understand how people may already have a coach or may not want to pay for a training plan. What I don’t understand is someone saying this is available already for free.

You can’t get a daily training schedule from us based on your running history. You don’t have access to a private forum where you can ask questions of us and JK and get training answers . And you don’t have a place where we have posts and videos etc and talk you through why we have you do what we think you should do.

Saying this is out there is like me saying I didn’t need JK to coach me since he had posted on forums previously. JK is not going to individually coach everyone in the program but we are going to draw up a training plan for you designed by him and his principles and your running history. That to me along with the community and resources we are going to provide is much better than trying to figure out a plan by yourself if you don’t have much guidance in the summer or don’t have a coach at all.