Evidence of black oppression? Just read before you react please

Sure someone will have a good rebuttal for systemic issues causing barriers to upward mobility, which then causes the disproportionate crime rate you mention.

I’d like to point out that “your whole community” getting behind a movement on social media that makes them feel good is different from how those people may act in real life. I think it’s likely that a randomly selected person who shared a pro-black meme on Facebook could, later that day, take a dubious second look at a black man at the convenience store while picking up snacks or coffee.

I would say the actual good coming from social media posting and general “awareness” is pretty minimal. Change should come from something more tangible. Should we pay the police force more to develop a more competitive selection pool? Maybe.

WFH mileage 2 wrote:

Sure someone will have a good rebuttal for systemic issues causing barriers to upward mobility, which then causes the disproportionate crime rate you mention..

One could also argue that prosecutors tread lightly when the accused is white vs heavily when the accused is black and that our laws are harsher for crimes more commonly committed by black offenders. The 100 to 1 disparity between crack and powder cocaine is a fairly well known example (5 grams of crack carries the sames punishment as 500 grams of powder).

The conviction/incarceration rates are meaningless in and of themselves. They could easily be the result of overzealous prosecutions of blacks vs whites.

there is no room for rational debate. you will immediately be labeled a racist for presenting data that does not conform the narratives of the mainstream media / BLM / protests.

it's an "us vs. them." the mob does not care for logic.

Single mother households are the biggest factor in criminals. 5X higher rate in black families. In any race, no father around makes it 3X more likely the child goes to prison by 30. There's your "racism".

bonkers! wrote:

there is no room for rational debate. you will immediately be labeled a racist for presenting data that does not conform the narratives of the mainstream media / BLM / protests.

it's an "us vs. them." the mob does not care for logic.

If we are such racists, and that is what keeps blacks in poverty etc., how come we only discriminate against blacks and not Asians?

Because I’m sure it can’t be because Asians value strong families, education, working hard, obeying the law, etc. They must be thriving only because whitey allows it.

put all the blame on whitey wrote:

bonkers! wrote:

there is no room for rational debate. you will immediately be labeled a racist for presenting data that does not conform the narratives of the mainstream media / BLM / protests.

it's an "us vs. them." the mob does not care for logic.

If we are such racists, and that is what keeps blacks in poverty etc., how come we only discriminate against blacks and not Asians?

Because I’m sure it can’t be because Asians value strong families, education, working hard, obeying the law, etc. They must be thriving only because whitey allows it.

And shouldn't racists be of the same proportion in each race??

Good intentions only :) wrote:

I do not see evidence that blacks are being systematically oppressed by the police. I live in a rural white dominated area

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_statistics

Is there a reason to read further?

Why would anyone feel you are in a position to understand the plight of others who feel oppressed?

If you find problems with black people that steal, maybe you should not have stolen them in the first place.

You become what you experience.

george c wrote:

Why would anyone feel you are in a position to understand the plight of others who feel oppressed?

Because there are other minorities on LRC other than black people and we don't ever see any asians, latinos, Mexicans, etc... playing the race card on here.

I am not guilty of the crimes of other people with the same skin color. To assert otherwise is blatantly evil and racist.

You do not need to be an astronaut to be an expert on space. You do not need to be a woman to be an expert on ovarian cancer. You do not need to be black to have an opinion on problems facing the black community. I stand from an impartial perspective. Assuming from your post that you fully support the black community in this fight, it is entirely in your interest to at the very least attempt to convince me to support your cause instead of ostracizing me because of the color of my skin.

Hmm, I will look into this

wonder....... wrote:

Single mother households are the biggest factor in criminals. 5X higher rate in black families. In any race, no father around makes it 3X more likely the child goes to prison by 30. There's your "racism".

Here we go again. You're trying to blame the people for a historic and structural condition they did not bring on themselves. These people have not been able to determine their own reality, to even be free in their own true reality and identity for hundreds of years. Yet some decades after a superficial gesture is somehow supposed to indicate those hundreds of years of oppression have come to an end we expect them to take responsibility for what has been done to them while the deeper more substantive damage actually continues and can be argued to actually be worsening by orders of magnitude. And it is this same condition that people like the OP like to prey on. The tired same old unempathetic socio/phycopathic approach of denying accountability and disassociating. Victim blaming. No willingness to understand the issue in its complexity or acknowledge holistic and true solutions without being vindictive, all before accepting appropriate change needs to take place to balance and account for those hundreds of years of history which would mean "undoing" history/"undoing" the country itself.

put all the blame on whitey wrote:

If we are such racists, and that is what keeps blacks in poverty etc., how come we only discriminate against blacks and not Asians?

Because I’m sure it can’t be because Asians value strong families, education, working hard, obeying the law, etc. They must be thriving only because whitey allows it.

As an Asian American, I am so sick and tired of this "model minority" stereotype. Just because many of us are "thriving" as you put it, that does not mean we are not discriminated.

The rationalization of racism goes way back.

https://www.splcenter.org/20180614/biggest-lie-white-supremacist-propaganda-playbook-unraveling-truth-about-%E2%80%98black-white-crime

This article is a few years old but touches on a lot of the sentiment you see here.

My problem with what your saying here, is that the black single motherhood rate started to skyrocket in the mid 60s when the war on poverty began and single motherhood was incentivized and when the sexual revolution was gaining traction. I personally believe the root of most the black community's problems stems from single mother hood, because with that the kids are more likely to be in poverty or commit crimes (which is inarguable). So while a racist history is certainly a factor, it is not as large as i believe you make it out to be. The changes in laws and culture during the 60s and after is what i would argue to be as the main factor of problems in the black community.

None of your statistics prove anything about institutionalized or systematic racism. It is possible that blacks commit a disproportionate share of all crimes and are also systematically oppressed by the police. One does not preclude the other.

Ask yourself this: If George Floyd had been a middle-aged white guy in a suit, driving a lexus do think he would have been treated the same way? No one really thinks that.