RW published a spirited defense of hobby joggers that specifically calls out Lets Run.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a32630963/jogging-is-running/
RW published a spirited defense of hobby joggers that specifically calls out Lets Run.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a32630963/jogging-is-running/
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
I’m in the boat where I like to make the distinction between serious runners (hobby runner) vs a hobby jogger. The need for the distinction is to recognize the different classes of effort among runners. It isn’t about making fun of slower runners. A hobby jogger is someone who runs for fitness or runs straight mileage (15-30 mpw). They might enter a ton of local 5ks, but they never have any structure to their training and never make an effort to actually get faster. A serious runner (hobby runner) will have a more structured training approach. They will gradually build mileage, run various types of workouts, have a long run, and try to peak 2-3 times a year.
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
This. Good for anyone getting out there whether you are qualifying for the Olympics, winning your local 5k, or bringing up the rear if a charity fun run.
I don't know why running seems to bring out so much negativity against people. I've never heard a professional baseball player crap all over Sunday coed leagues.
So the author claims of LetsRun,.com:
"The venom toward joggers gets crueler and more lethal in the most competitive communities. Consider Letsrun.com, which historically has spoken to competitive runners. It has untold numbers of threads that discuss and insult so-called hobby joggers, a term that has since spread to broader corners of running culture. Sometimes the expression is tossed around playfully, as an impish put-down to anyone who might be a little slower than you, but typically the condescension remains quite obvious. If one were to interview “serious” runners to define the accepted collective understanding of a hobby jogger, you’d wind up with a courtroom sketch of slow, likely overweight people who wear expensive gear and eschew speedwork or other serious training, folks who run for social experience or health reasons more than a passion for performance. In other words, hobby joggers are pretenders who don’t deserve to call themselves runners—these are the losers who put 13.1 stickers on their car and wear earbuds at races and don hydration belts in situations the gatekeepers seem unworthy."
So, are there "...untold numbers of threads that discuss and insult so-called hobby joggers"?
seattle prattle wrote:
So the author claims of LetsRun,.com:
"The venom toward joggers gets crueler and more lethal in the most competitive communities. Consider Letsrun.com, which historically has spoken to competitive runners. It has untold numbers of threads that discuss and insult so-called hobby joggers, a term that has since spread to broader corners of running culture. Sometimes the expression is tossed around playfully, as an impish put-down to anyone who might be a little slower than you, but typically the condescension remains quite obvious. If one were to interview “serious” runners to define the accepted collective understanding of a hobby jogger, you’d wind up with a courtroom sketch of slow, likely overweight people who wear expensive gear and eschew speedwork or other serious training, folks who run for social experience or health reasons more than a passion for performance. In other words, hobby joggers are pretenders who don’t deserve to call themselves runners—these are the losers who put 13.1 stickers on their car and wear earbuds at races and don hydration belts in situations the gatekeepers seem unworthy."
So, are there "...untold numbers of threads that discuss and insult so-called hobby joggers"?
In writing this piece, Runners World has really fleshed out our definition of Hobby Joggers. I tend to fall in the "leave them be" camp, but god, when I am feeling judgy...that description is kinda gold.
The real LRC: Ugh, not this topic again. Just admit that there's only like 3 people in the U.S. who aren't hobby joggers. Got a D1 full ride? Making six figures off your pro contract? If not, you're a hobby jogger, so deal with it.
RW: Another venomous, lethal thread insulting hobby joggers!
who cares about this non-issue again?
What are the circumstances when a hobby jogger feels insulted? I feel like serious runners may tease amongst themselves about hobby joggers but not directly to their face. Serious runners seem to be nice people in general and more than willing to show a a new runner the ropes to help them succeed.
hhd7dhdhwjdbdh wrote:
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
This. Good for anyone getting out there whether you are qualifying for the Olympics, winning your local 5k, or bringing up the rear if a charity fun run.
I don't know why running seems to bring out so much negativity against people. I've never heard a professional baseball player crap all over Sunday coed leagues.
You also don’t hear professional runners crapping all over so called hobby joggers. It’s the never will be, and never were, so called serious runners that post here.
hhd7dhdhwjdbdh wrote:
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
This. Good for anyone getting out there whether you are qualifying for the Olympics, winning your local 5k, or bringing up the rear if a charity fun run.
I don't know why running seems to bring out so much negativity against people. I've never heard a professional baseball player crap all over Sunday coed leagues.
because most baseball players aren't angry little insecure betas
Do professional stamp collectors sht all over hobby mailers who occasionally buy a commemorative stamp at the post office if it catches their eye?
The RW writer is right.
LRCisTerrible wrote:
The RW writer is right.
Serious question. Can you elaborate? What specifically were they right about? Can you provide example? Under what circumstances do “hobby joggers” feel insulted? Do they specifically feel insulted when they hop on Letsrun and the community doesn’t take them seriously? If that is the case, I don’t know why they should feel insulted. There are so many threads on here where “serious runners” are giving “hobby joggers” advice on how to get better. I feel like hobby joggers are just mad that they aren’t getting as many likes or kudos on their social media. The hobby joggers want to me recognized and applauded more. Is that it?
like most media outlets RW is clearly struggling for content.
...look at some of the dross that's made the LetsRun front page.
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
I like this. Get rid of the all the garbage races.
Whether anyone cares either way is beyond me, but any longtime poster here who argues that joggers haven't been widely ridiculed on insulted on this message board is not being. honest.
Is there a chart that distinguishes between who is a runner and who is a hobby jogger ?
Age 60. Male. What are the minimum 5K and 10K times that qualify me as a runner ?
hhd7dhdhwjdbdh wrote:
Genny Cream Ale wrote:
"Hobby joggers" advance the sport. Without "hobby joggers," there are no marathon majors, or 95% of road races.
This. Good for anyone getting out there whether you are qualifying for the Olympics, winning your local 5k, or bringing up the rear if a charity fun run.
I don't know why running seems to bring out so much negativity against people. I've never heard a professional baseball player crap all over Sunday coed leagues.
You are confusing the internet for real life.
Go to any road race and you will see OVERWHELMING positive energy towards everyone. Nobody cares how fast you run and everyone is proud of everyone for finishing.
Runners do support each other in real life.
Radcliffe Took EPO in Albuquerque wrote:
Whether anyone cares either way is beyond me, but any longtime poster here who argues that joggers haven't been widely ridiculed on insulted on this message board is not being. honest.
I have only been here for a year. I see tons of threads offering good advice for new or inexperienced runners. I see crowds give the loudest applause to the last place runners at a cross country meet.
On the flip side
I see serious runners calling other serious runners a hobby joggers. I see some attacks toward ultra runners, but who doesn’t know an ultra runner who likes to make a show of things? I’ve seen some threads on the annoyance of dodging more people on the bike path these days. Nothing seems over the top to me.
Nobody is running past a hobby jogger in real life and insulting them to their face. If anything, we respect them getting out there. The hobby jogger term is simply used to differentiate between the die hards and the casuals.
DanM wrote:
Is there a chart that distinguishes between who is a runner and who is a hobby jogger ?
Age 60. Male. What are the minimum 5K and 10K times that qualify me as a runner ?
I already addressed this earlier in thread. Time is not the biggest factor. It has more to do with structured training and trying to improve instead of just running the same pace 2-4 times a week.