Really need help. Anyone training in the Zoom Fly 3’s? I have increased my mileage from 30~ to about 75-85 over the last 4 months. I am dealing with serious heel pain, plantar fasciitis, probably. It is terrible. Is there something out there to help make it tolerable? I have never worn any of Nike’s new technology shoe, would it help?
Confucius says: “ First find correct answer for ya current pain from respectable physician before embarking on fruitless adventures”
I personally pepper them in for faster workouts at 30ish miles per week, and I can tell you, running in them everyday will not help you. They are too aggressive. Try the react infinity or other softer shoes.
I'd switch over to the Pegasus for daily runs if I were you. The Zoom Fly is not built for high mileage in my opinion. I use mine for Half Marathon race day, and some tempos here and there.
I would be careful training in them all the time.
Doctors of running mentioned that they see patients with feet problems from not being ready for lots of running in plated shoes. They also tend to put a lot of load on your achilles and that can cause issues.
donyiyo wrote:
Confucius says: “ First find correct answer for ya current pain from respectable physician before embarking on fruitless adventures”
I'll tell ya, man. Working at a running store, it's incredible how many people come in just hobbled with injuries, who refuse to even consult with a doctor, and instead believe a new pair of shoes will fix everything.
Honestly super common for some middle aged couch potato to come in, telling me about their marathon in a month, and how their knees are shot, but they've got a friend who told them to pick up a pair of Brooks.
I have the zoom fly SPs, and I’ve decided I can only use them on hard days. It’s hard for me not to run faster than 7 minute pace in them, (props to Nike for making fast shoes) and I get severe shin splints if I wear them more than 3 days or so in a row. The shoes are just much better geared towards running faster.
I own a pair of Zoom Fly 3s. They're a special day shoe and I only run in them maybe once every two weeks. The carbon fiber plate is not comfortable for easy runs and it does have a tendency to fool you into turning every run into a workout. If your heal is hurting take time off, do some strength training and probably go see a physical therapist. Tendon issues are a huge pain and if you push them to the breaking point you're looking at serious time off.
Thanks for the insight. I really muddled the question with the input about PF. I have consulted doctors and unfortunately (I’m military) the recommendations are always a.) time off b.) insoles c.) stop running d.) boot at night. I have tried all of them. I have had periods of time where I went a few months pain free. But it slowly creeps back. I am sure I don’t stretch enough but I do stretch daily.
Anyway, the question was more simply if training in a carbon plate shoe was a bad idea. Sounds like it is. I know very little about the technology. Oh and for what it’s worth, my standard shoe for the last few years has been the Pegasus.
I was training everyday in pegs, and after awhile, you learn that unless you are very light and quick running low miles, you should look into a more supportive shoe. Nikes are great when it's their time to shine, but for long miles and base training pegs don't always get the job done.
Ive had no problem (as of yet) doing all varieties of mileage in multiple versions of the shoe. Not saying some little niggles havent been from the shoes, who knows. But i dont think they have done me wrong.
Why are there replies about shoes given the retarded increase in mileage??
I second this. Running easy in them hurts every time.
AverageDDadRunner wrote:
The carbon fiber plate is not comfortable for easy runs and it does have a tendency to fool you into turning every run into a workout.
I would think the huge increase in miles plays a big role in your issues. Maybe drop down to 30-40 miles
BuyTheDip wrote:
Why are there replies about shoes given the retarded increase in mileage??
This. Many HS and college runners spend years getting up to 80 mpw. 4 months is ridiculous. Back off.
Also, think of Carbon shoes as spikes. Like spikes they’re not good for your feet. Fine for a key workout or two and racing but don’t train in them.
I'll echo the rest. Be careful ramping your mileage that quickly as it is the likely culprit for your injury.
As for the Zoom Fly 3s, they serve me well for my workouts for half and full marathon training (I, M, and T pace). I'd stick to flats for R pace stuff.
Definitely seek injury treatment from your doctor and best wishes for getting and staying injury free. That said, your litmus test for running. Does walking hurt? If so, it will most definitely hurt to run.
Forgot to mention - stick to your normal trainers like Pegs for E pace stuff.
hotfeet wrote:
Really need help. Anyone training in the Zoom Fly 3’s? I have increased my mileage from 30~ to about 75-85 over the last 4 months. I am dealing with serious heel pain, plantar fasciitis, probably. It is terrible. Is there something out there to help make it tolerable? I have never worn any of Nike’s new technology shoe, would it help?
I agree with the prior responses about the over-increase in mileage. The 10% rule - only increase weekly mileage by 10% at most, week on week - needs to be cited.
As to using the Vaporflys or really any of the other carbon fiber plated shoes on a daily basis: unless you're super rich this probably isn't a great idea. They have comparably low mileage limits. At about 200 miles, the vaporfly's lose a considerable amount of their 'pop', which means you'd have to keep buying new pairs to even get the (frankly questionable) benefits you'd get from using them.
Also, if you're having a heel issue, I'm not sure the vaporflys would even help. They seem to be most beneficial for forefoot or midfoot striking and I doubt they'd have much impact on heel pain, but that's just a guess
hotfeet wrote:
Really need help. Anyone training in the Zoom Fly 3’s? I have increased my mileage from 30~ to about 75-85 over the last 4 months. I am dealing with serious heel pain, plantar fasciitis, probably. It is terrible. Is there something out there to help make it tolerable? I have never worn any of Nike’s new technology shoe, would it help?
Really? Is chasing a mediocre PR worth being in that much pain and possibly causing yourself lifelong injuries? Being tired and hurt all the time? Are you in a position to win money or make a living with your running?
Every medical doctor I has spoken with or read says that rest is always a good idea when you have pain. I have found rest to be wonderfully restorative.