I think they’re trolls from my year-long efforts to prove Proctor cheated across Canada. Haven’t made huge progress, but he did quit & regroup for next year.
I think they’re trolls from my year-long efforts to prove Proctor cheated across Canada. Haven’t made huge progress, but he did quit & regroup for next year.
Crazy to think, Frank Meza probably has a following of fans. Just like fans of the biggest bank heist. There will be fans of this cheating affair. The biggest, longest lasting cheat of all-time. Culminating in 2 WR performances. AND, Frank Meza only got exposed by a total fluke. I will state under oath, that it was only my intention to expose people to FM's accomplishments. I have seen the light, so to speak...by the evidences presented on this thread. Sleuths obviously get results, when they persist and work together. Frank still claims to be legit....and willing to run with a Garmin. I think running accompanied at all times by USATF volunteers, would be ok. The shock ending of all-time, would be if Frank "played" us all along...and was actually fast.
People not cheating ever again would be the shock ending of all time.
He was going to get exposed with or without the thread. Maybe not now, but it would have happened.
But, this thread was instrumental in pushing this forward. The find of the initial photo of him entering the course in Hollywood was what really got me focused back on this case after lots of frustration over time.
It's impressive in a crazy sort of way wrote:
Roderick Powell wrote:
I too noticed the cord around Frank Meza's neck. I also have come up with thoughts on FM's exact means of cheating. Starting way way late seems designed so that he can go unnoticed and than duck off course. Seems from LAM 2019 that FM sneaks back on course, (in front of witnesses shamelessly) as close to the timing mats as he can. Than exits as quick after the mat as he can. He does probably still log in some distance over the course of 9 or 10 of these entries and exits. This is no small effort. That he has gotten away with this, even in spite of having been seen, is amazing. Frank either is nuts or has mucho grande nuts. This whole affair is surreal.
It takes a lot to get on and off the course and get every 5k mat. It takes a special kind of crazy to do that. Every twenty minutes he had to be on the course. He was probably on the move all three hours, no down time. I think he used a car, not bike, to go from mat to mat. I wonder if Kip Litton had a similar MO but was never caught red handed because cameras weren't as omnipresent a few years ago.
This is what I was trying to get at in an earlier (long ago) post: this guy has cheated at a LOT of races. The guy is nuts! 3 or 4 marathons a year, as far as I can tell, for the last decade or so. Plus triathlons and shorter running races. That is a lot of effort to put out, year round - it seems almost like overkill. You really have to wonder what is going in that pulsing thing underneath the baseball cap.
This is indeed a special kind of OCD crazy to do this so many times for many years. I would guess that most people might do it once, then find it terribly unfulfilling and quit.
Everybody Frankie ran with had to know this was BS. Even on casual runs anyone would have instantly known there was no way this guy was capable of sub 7 min miles let alone a sub 3 marathon. Because of this i think the usual runners we see him with were in on it. At the very least consciously decided to look the other way.
They knew, but rightly or wrongly (not for me to say), he's been given a free pass, after all, he's someone who's had this said about him:
"It was Dr. Frank Meza, LMSA Lifetime Achievement Award winner, who inspired me to learn how to become an effective mentor. We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, like Dr. Meza, who came before us."
and, there's more evidence... after crossing the 40K mat, fm gets in his car/jumps on his bike and makes his way over to palisades ave. and ocean ave. for his last re-entry into the race. folks familiar with 2018 video know that this is the spot that he rejoins the race and then ditches his jacket.
see the photo below and the google street view link. this photo (at ocean ave./palisades ave.) is approximately at mile 25.7 (I compared the location against the strava data that i have). in the photo fm is pictured with runner 1148. runner 1148 crossed the 40K mat 18 seconds ahead of fm (1148 at 2:44:39 clock time / fm at 2:44:57), but somehow, in approximately 1.2K / 0.75 miles fm closes an 18 second gap to be pictured w/ runner 1148 with approximately 700-800 meters to go in the race.
note that runner 1148 ran his last 1.95K (the final split) at 6:32 pace, so fm would need to run considerably faster after crossing the 40K mat to nearly catch runner 1148 in this picture, only to then concede approximately 20 seconds in the final 700-800 meters (fm finishes 24 seconds behind runner 1148 on clock time (fm: 2:53:58 vs. 1148: 2:53:34)).
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photo/en/usd/3017/1148/3017_610085#3017_610085
additional links to pages that may have fm in the background - i haven't been able to find him, but i suspect he's lurking back there somewhere.
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/38131
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/45575
frank, you're a fraud. it looks like you've cheated for nearly a decade and continue to lie about... even to those who know you. you're pathetic.
Fake Laz wrote:
You guys need me to get involved?
It would be good to read some traditional Fake Laz commentary on this.
This guy is a physician who evidently spends a great deal of time being a cheating megalomaniac.
He is mentor to children.
If my doctor went to these lengths to be dishonest and unethical I’d want to know and he wouldn’t be my doctor
I wouldn’t want him around my kid
I am amazed people think he shouldn’t be exposed
Reminds me of a British pension fund manager. There was a way for him to get in a train at a certain point going to London and and save a few pounds. The guys was rich. He got caught and suspended and found unfit to be licensed in the financial markets
This is a million times worse. I can assure you if he worked for my company compliance would sack someone gullty if this on morals and ethics grounds
He's 70 years old. How much impact will revealing his transgressions to his employer have? Will he retire a month earlier? Come on. At his age, this won't matter. This may matter a lot to runners, but it isn't going to matter much to outside of that circle, and even less when you consider he probably doesn't have any time at all left in the workforce. Sorry.
Need hi res to confirm, but:
3017_609860 Look above gap between x in Finisherpix and 2 in 2019
3017_609861 Look above i and x in Finisherpix
3017_609862 Look above p in Finisherpix
3017_609863 Look above p in Finisherpix
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/38117
Being older does not entitle you to make your own rules. Frank advertises on his work bio about his running acomplishments so those transgressions do matter. It's about ethics and doing the right thing."This may matter a lot to runners, but it isn't going to matter much to outside of that circle". Again you are wrong. This is the problem i think... You see this as a minor infraction, impacting a small number of people, when in fact, we're discussing a world record M70, not to mention the hundreds of families you deprived from the joy of seeing a close family member accomplish something they worked hard for like a podium. How many thousands of people are seen in the photos? Does it look like a small circle? I do actually think you are Frank himself or someone very close to him. You should be ashamed.
okay already wrote:
He's 70 years old. How much impact will revealing his transgressions to his employer have? Will he retire a month earlier? Come on. At his age, this won't matter. This may matter a lot to runners, but it isn't going to matter much to outside of that circle, and even less when you consider he probably doesn't have any time at all left in the workforce. Sorry.
Page 38117 wrote:
Got there by coming down Palisades Ave?
Frank can't run and he can't hide.
He's using the same MO as 2018. wrote:
Frank can't run and he can't hide.
The original quote referring to Dave Reading (Lands End to John O'Groats scammer) was
"He can hide but he can't run"
So now off course photos at 10k, 20k, 25k, and 40k to be confirmed with high resolution photo. Wow. Over to you Mr Murph.
Earn your medals. wrote:
https://imgur.com/a/1pGKYat
Page 38117 wrote:
Need hi res to confirm, but:
3017_609860 Look above gap between x in Finisherpix and 2 in 2019
3017_609861 Look above i and x in Finisherpix
3017_609862 Look above p in Finisherpix
3017_609863 Look above p in Finisherpix
https://www.finisherpix.com/gallery/photobrowser/en/USD/3017#All/All/38117
If that is Meza, he was off the course for quite a while because 21192 finished almost 10 minutes ahead of Meza. Someone posted earlier that the photos are from near Ocean Ave and Palisades Ave (approximately mile 25.7).
Frank, We know you're out there. We know you're in cahoots with those BYU boys from that 10k. Come in with your hands up.