Personally I've gotten somewhat "burned" by multiple influencers over the years (and ironically it's them reaching out to me first to "collab"). I guess the future lesson is that legal contracts need to be pulled out to ensure people follow through with content specifics.
Bro, I promise I'll post the Taco Bell video next week... after I post "A Serious Runner Runs the Houston Marathon" on Monday.
Personally I've gotten somewhat "burned" by multiple influencers over the years (and ironically it's them reaching out to me first to "collab"). I guess the future lesson is that legal contracts need to be pulled out to ensure people follow through with content specifics.
Bro, I promise I'll post the Taco Bell video next week... after I post "A Serious Runner Runs the Houston Marathon" on Monday.
More Taco Bell 50k content?!?!?!
I can't handle altitude and haven't had Taco Bell in like 20 years, but for some reason I'm tempted to run it next year. Thanks for letting us suffer along with you, Sage.
Personally I've gotten somewhat "burned" by multiple influencers over the years (and ironically it's them reaching out to me first to "collab"). I guess the future lesson is that legal contracts need to be pulled out to ensure people follow through with content specifics.
Bro, I promise I'll post the Taco Bell video next week... after I post "A Serious Runner Runs the Houston Marathon" on Monday.
It's alright Stephen I'm only talking about "big time influencers" [that have burned me] 🤣....so no legal contract for content deliverables and deadlines (yet)!
However maybe LetsRun can help change that! Everyone, check out my good friend Stephen's YouTube channels:
"The Serious Runner" and "The Serious Show".
He hasn't made the big-time yet...and you gotta respect the hustle as well as the honesty and transparency (not to mention the quality of the content!).
Couldn't possibly be that Kofuzi abruptly dropped Sage and Sandi for that Runna money.
Looking at it in a more positive light, perhaps Kofuzi didn't want a potential bad performance to reflect poorly on Sage and Sandy.
Kofuzi also mentioned that he doesn't think the "long threshold reps" that both Sage/Sandy and Runna prescribed work for him. So, maybe it was difference of training philosophy.
Maybe they can rekindle the coaching/athlete relationship for Sidney. Kofuzi noted that he's currently thinking about coaching himself for Sidney.
I'm sure he'd train with the V.O2 app or Stryd if they throw money his way, though.
Would Kofuzi hook up with BPN and train under Cunningham!? That'd be an interesting partnership.
Well I'll tell you one thing that happened:
We were coaching Kofuzi and then all of a sudden he surprised us with an email out of the blue saying that he had "signed with Runna" and therefore wouldn't be coached by us anymore.
It would have been nice to have a heads up in communication before he decided to sign with Runna as we had agreed to multiple collab videos on YouTube that still hadn't happened yet and that I was waiting on. The whole "collab" I'd say was not what was originally outlined and promised at all.
We don't have big money like Runna to throw around in advertising so these collabs are generally a big deal for me and Sandi. I had met up with Kofuzi in person for runs and in Boulder over the years and felt like it could have been a more mutually beneficial collab that also could have been really informative as a "case study" of a guy in his 40s trying to get marathon and half marathon PRs and to keep BQing while balancing a fairly busy travel/life/family schedule. The videos didn't happen though.
Honestly when we were coaching him he was super busy traveling basically all summer and spring for events all over the world....from the Olympics to the Boston Marathon etc. I actually think he had a lot more consistent training and dedication focus this Fall and Winter for the Houston Half as he was traveling quite a bit less it seems. The Runna app seemed to just throw him random, challenging workouts based on an algorithm pace range and sequence though. Which honestly can get you in shape...but he did run about 1-min slower at the Houston half this year despite running pretty consistent high mileage (for him).
Personally I've gotten somewhat "burned" by multiple influencers over the years (and ironically it's them reaching out to me first to "collab"). I guess the future lesson is that legal contracts need to be pulled out to ensure people follow through with content specifics.
Not surprised. I am not a fan of running with selfie sticks and a whole bunch of other stuff (accepting free travel from brands then never disclosing it in the videos). It's interesting that the top comment on his Houston recap is throwing shade at Runna for throwing their VC money at influencers.
It's too bad you've been soured on influencers. I think everyone who reads this thread was waiting for the collab between you and the Greatest of All Time, Still the Original ShoeTuber, who I believe lives relatively close to you. Your Taco Bell ultra would've been the perfect collab with him!
Do not know him personally so cannot comment but he seems to build some kind of community so if that is good for some people and get them running, good.
At least he is not grifting some tablets or sports drink collabs, never heard him trying to much to sell the viewer likes of Runna....
Altho I cannot always watch his videos because I get so frustrated with his haphazard training... Get a real coach that live near by and can coach you one on one.
We were coaching Kofuzi and then all of a sudden he surprised us with an email out of the blue saying that he had "signed with Runna" and therefore wouldn't be coached by us anymore.
It would have been nice to have a heads up in communication before he decided to sign with Runna as we had agreed to multiple collab videos on YouTube that still hadn't happened yet and that I was waiting on. The whole "collab" I'd say was not what was originally outlined and promised at all.
We don't have big money like Runna to throw around in advertising so these collabs are generally a big deal for me and Sandi. I had met up with Kofuzi in person for runs and in Boulder over the years and felt like it could have been a more mutually beneficial collab that also could have been really informative as a "case study" of a guy in his 40s trying to get marathon and half marathon PRs and to keep BQing while balancing a fairly busy travel/life/family schedule. The videos didn't happen though.
Honestly when we were coaching him he was super busy traveling basically all summer and spring for events all over the world....from the Olympics to the Boston Marathon etc. I actually think he had a lot more consistent training and dedication focus this Fall and Winter for the Houston Half as he was traveling quite a bit less it seems. The Runna app seemed to just throw him random, challenging workouts based on an algorithm pace range and sequence though. Which honestly can get you in shape...but he did run about 1-min slower at the Houston half this year despite running pretty consistent high mileage (for him).
Personally I've gotten somewhat "burned" by multiple influencers over the years (and ironically it's them reaching out to me first to "collab"). I guess the future lesson is that legal contracts need to be pulled out to ensure people follow through with content specifics.
Not surprised. I am not a fan of running with selfie sticks and a whole bunch of other stuff (accepting free travel from brands then never disclosing it in the videos). It's interesting that the top comment on his Houston recap is throwing shade at Runna for throwing their VC money at influencers.
It's too bad you've been soured on influencers. I think everyone who reads this thread was waiting for the collab between you and the Greatest of All Time, Still the Original ShoeTuber, who I believe lives relatively close to you. Your Taco Bell ultra would've been the perfect collab with him!
I think Sage and SJD had a falling out -- although I don't know if they ever met. I can't remember what caused it except Sage thinking SJD did not give out great running advice on Youtube and showed a lack of respect for what it takes to have some level of success on both the road and trails (although Sage credits SJD being a good high altitude uphill mountain runner).
I also would like to see a video of Sage and SJD going for a run together.
We were coaching Kofuzi and then all of a sudden he surprised us with an email out of the blue saying that he had "signed with Runna" and therefore wouldn't be coached by us anymore.
It would have been nice to have a heads up in communication before he decided to sign with Runna as we had agreed to multiple collab videos on YouTube that still hadn't happened yet and that I was waiting on. The whole "collab" I'd say was not what was originally outlined and promised at all.
We don't have big money like Runna to throw around in advertising so these collabs are generally a big deal for me and Sandi. I had met up with Kofuzi in person for runs and in Boulder over the years and felt like it could have been a more mutually beneficial collab that also could have been really informative as a "case study" of a guy in his 40s trying to get marathon and half marathon PRs and to keep BQing while balancing a fairly busy travel/life/family schedule. The videos didn't happen though.
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This is exactly what's wrong with not only the running influencer market, but any influencer market. It's just a free for all/dog fight and whomever offers the highest dollar amount wins.
On one end I understand from a business perspective, you have to eat and make money, save etc. But this dude just tossed your agreement aside like it was nothing. It was probably a combination of how much they offered him, and how much more challenging and precise your coaching was.
It's very evident that people like kofuzi have just turned into shopping malls and don't want to get better. At least other people (no matter how annoying they may be) are actually shooting for PR's while taking training seriously
Do not know him personally so cannot comment but he seems to build some kind of community so if that is good for some people and get them running, good.
At least he is not grifting some tablets or sports drink collabs, never heard him trying to much to sell the viewer likes of Runna....
Altho I cannot always watch his videos because I get so frustrated with his haphazard training... Get a real coach that live near by and can coach you one on one.
Charles Manson also built a community. Was that a good thing?
Not surprised. I am not a fan of running with selfie sticks and a whole bunch of other stuff (accepting free travel from brands then never disclosing it in the videos). It's interesting that the top comment on his Houston recap is throwing shade at Runna for throwing their VC money at influencers.
It's too bad you've been soured on influencers. I think everyone who reads this thread was waiting for the collab between you and the Greatest of All Time, Still the Original ShoeTuber, who I believe lives relatively close to you. Your Taco Bell ultra would've been the perfect collab with him!
I think Sage and SJD had a falling out -- although I don't know if they ever met. I can't remember what caused it except Sage thinking SJD did not give out great running advice on Youtube and showed a lack of respect for what it takes to have some level of success on both the road and trails (although Sage credits SJD being a good high altitude uphill mountain runner).
I also would like to see a video of Sage and SJD going for a run together.
I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
I think Sage and SJD had a falling out -- although I don't know if they ever met. I can't remember what caused it except Sage thinking SJD did not give out great running advice on Youtube and showed a lack of respect for what it takes to have some level of success on both the road and trails (although Sage credits SJD being a good high altitude uphill mountain runner).
I also would like to see a video of Sage and SJD going for a run together.
I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
You might not be appreciating alot of people, like me, when they started consuming YT running videos just watched stuff from you and SJD. Before "everyone" got on the bandwagon.
So your intrinsically linked to alot of people, and similarities in being both road/trail to a pretty even split.
In personality though, I would agree you totally different. I'm British, so I would say there's a class difference, so you would be unlikely friends. I actually really like SJD but I don't think it's unfair to say there's an obvious academic difference between you both, which in turn means a totally difference approach on running.
I do think alot of YT content creators owe you both (and Ben Parkes, again I'm British so he's OG here) a small debt for breaking the ground.
I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
You might not be appreciating alot of people, like me, when they started consuming YT running videos just watched stuff from you and SJD. Before "everyone" got on the bandwagon.
So your intrinsically linked to alot of people, and similarities in being both road/trail to a pretty even split.
In personality though, I would agree you totally different. I'm British, so I would say there's a class difference, so you would be unlikely friends. I actually really like SJD but I don't think it's unfair to say there's an obvious academic difference between you both, which in turn means a totally difference approach on running.
I do think alot of YT content creators owe you both (and Ben Parkes, again I'm British so he's OG here) a small debt for breaking the ground.
Sage: I actually found out about Seth because I was stuck in an airport in 2019 for an extended time and looked on YouTube to see if there were any Pikes Peak videos because l knew you came in second. Of course YouTube suggested Seth’s Pikes Peak Pikes Peak half video(s) and I probably watched a dozen of his videos. I think he only had about 10,000 to 20,000 subscribers at the time. His channel grew steadily about the time I started watching him because he was trying to OTQ and ran in the World Mountain Running Champs. Then Covid hit and the channel exploded because, I assume, people had a lot of time to watch YouTube and Seth was already in the habit of pumping out content.
Seth had already been a daily vlogger for a couple years and from what I understand had been a daily life/Daddy/Catholic vlogger with some running content and Kofuzi, of all people, suggested he focus on running content.
I think Sage and SJD had a falling out -- although I don't know if they ever met. I can't remember what caused it except Sage thinking SJD did not give out great running advice on Youtube and showed a lack of respect for what it takes to have some level of success on both the road and trails (although Sage credits SJD being a good high altitude uphill mountain runner).
I also would like to see a video of Sage and SJD going for a run together.
I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
DQ Kofuzi!!! Really it's just as bad if not worse than the bikes. It obstructs people, can trip them, and also turns starting lines into selfie disasters.
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I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
Yeah, apart from both being Colorado-based, 39 year old, longer distance trail race enthusiasts with one syllable names with four letters beginning with the letter S who have made their name in the niche area of creating running youtube videos; you guys are polar opposites.
I did not have a "falling out" with SJD....I've never interacted with him in person and I don't know him at all!
From what I gather we are both around the same age and both do some of the same trail-mountain races and road marathons (and both train and live in Colorado and make running Youtube videos). I guess we both ran the Speedgoat 50km one year (he didn't do very well), but he's also run about 1-min faster at the Pikes Peak Marathon (on a different year compared to when I got 2nd to Kilian there) compared to me....3:38 to 3:37. He's a run a really fast Ascent time at Pikes Peak also and seems to really thrive on the high altitude climbs.
I also know he's done a few marathons in the 2:23 range and that I was doing running video content on Youtube several years before he started. He seemed to really gain traction during the COVID era and when he apparently made VLOGs daily (very hard to do and time consuming imo).
Other than that I don't think we have anything in common. Like at all. I'd actually guess that we are probably "nearly opposites" in a lot of (most?) ways. From some of his videos I think sometimes there are probably illegal drone shots that he performs (I'm not 100% sure, but in the past there are certain drone shots that have seemed very suspect from what i've seen).
Don't get me wrong, I love drone shots, but I try to be respectful about the laws/rules/regulations around them and to not disturb or endanger other people for the sake of "getting the shot".
It's why I also didn't run with a extendable selfie/camera stick during the Houston Marathon to film (as much as I would have liked to)....because it was totally against the race rules that were explicitly stated and because I don't think as a "content creator" I'm "above the law". We have to respect other fellow runners experiences and we are all under the same race/event rules.
Yeah, apart from both being Colorado-based, 39 year old, longer distance trail race enthusiasts with one syllable names with four letters beginning with the letter S who have made their name in the niche area of creating running youtube videos; you guys are polar opposites.
Thank you! I appreciate the support and long term viewership. It's been 16 years of me doing running related videos on YouTube now....
And for the record I don't really like being compared to SJD. Besides being "total opposites" in a lot of ways he's actually also not raced that many road marathons himself (or ultramarathons in the 50-mile to 100km range for that matter). Which is interesting because he's been in Colorado a lot longer than me and also ran DI at CU Boulder where there are great mountain trails and road running access all around.
I've had the good fortune to experience a lot of ultra-trail races (as well as road marathons) around the world and I'd like to think that that course specific experience and variety in #AnySurfaceAnyDistance racing is something that comes through in my "training talks" and running coaching advice.
Anyway, here's a shameless plug for my friend Stephen aka "Serious Runner":
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