So, who is in at Lamar since Hartman bolted again?
So, who is in at Lamar since Hartman bolted again?
To djf
Read it again, I never said "full ride.". Especially n the men's side within a balanced program.
Why do you keep talking about McDonnel in a time that is completely irrelevant to today? It's is much more competitive now. Quality of coaching and the number of coaches that will do this for merely nothing is crazy.
Enough said
the points that I have tried to make are; good coaches seem to 'find a way' to make something from very little. The good coaches also seem, over time, to create more than one "nugget". Good coaches with the same "money" seem to have a way to "stretch" their dollars and championship results from less.
I think this comes from many, talented athletes feel that good coaching, opportunity to win and/or being the best in the NCAA is more important.
Just like the cream of the athletic talent will rise to the top, the cream of the coaching talent rises to the top, school doesn't matter if the athlete is allowed to train, compete and receive coaching.
this is totally in response to comments on good and bad coaches and good or bad programs...
dfj
Back to topic. Northeastern is done deal. Heard it was local.
Stanford's athletic website, GoStanford.com, has Joseph Wagstaffe as the new Director of Track and Field. It says that he was the manager of the US field hockey team at the Olympics. Is this all Stanford could get? Does he know anything about track and field? I'm amazed.
He is director of operations not director of T&F. the operations director is responsible for a lot of the administrative work. It is a non coaching position
critic 100 wrote:
Lets cut the crap. Coaches who hire young bucks, are clueless of what they are getting. You get some first year coach who has completed the level 1 and level 11 certification. They get jobs and actually realize they don't really like to recruit or coach. Then they bail out to another program they think will be easier to work at. Its a sad day when programs go for inexperienced candidates who come in and destroy the programs.
This would only be a relevant comment if ever program was able to pay people commensurate to experience, but they can't, which is a good thing too, because not every "young buck" is a useless turd that flies from position to position.
pogo wrote:
...because not every "young buck" is a useless turd that flies from position to position.
I'm not so sure about this last comment. I have followed the coaching moves for a while now, and it seems to be accelerating if anything. Coaches are jumping ship so fast that even coaches can't keep track of it. It used to be that a beginner coach might stay somewhere for 5-10 years, maybe make something of themselves. Now, it seems like if a guy gets that lucky break and lands one of these coveted spots, he is looking over his head coach's shoulder for the next thing to come along, sometimes before the year is even done!?!
Do you have a grudge against Coach Hartman? It seems like Purdue is a step up from Lamar. Why wouldn't a coach take a better position?
I heard the Southern Miss guy is in at Lamar.
What's going on at:
UGA
Stanford
Florida State Throws
Penn State Sprints
Tennessee
Lots of jobs still out there.
So what about the "opportunities" at schools like, say, Siena or Xavier? One school without track (not A track, track as a sponsored sport) and very little scholarship and the other without a full-time coach.... Not only do these administrations not care if these programs compete, it almost seems like they expect them to fail with such little behind them. Trying to tell kids capable of competing at a DI to fore-go their track careers? A coach who can probably only afford to be there at practice and team trips while trying to recruit and develop at the same level as their DI competition? Are these positions not career suicide? I'm genuinely curious what the observers of this thread think about this - it's not a rhetorical question.
Assistants promoted to Interim heads at Mines:
http://www.csmorediggers.com/sports/xc/2012-13/releases/20120815v0dsox
Since I've heard it's more about where you have been and who you can get to give you a good recommendation the previous question seems to be a good one.
What is happening at University of Houston?
Can't speak to anything except Xavier. I interviewed there and was offered the job for $23,000 no benefits. What struck me was that everyone I met simply didnt care, and talked badly about the program. I'm talking the associate AD, head trainer, academic advisor, etc. The associcate AD told me: "we know we aren't going to be very successful so just do your best". I was blown away by their negativity. Then they couldn't understand why I turned the job down. It is a cultural thing that cc/track are treated this way in some schools. I asked one of the administrators how they could justify spending a million bucks a year on a basketball coach and not provide benefits to their cc/track coach. Was told they were working on it. Very sad that schools like Xavier don't care.
it is atrocious…
"and equitable opportunities for all students and staff, including women and minorities."
Interesting how Xavier finishes their Mission statement with this line.
There is nothing equitable or opportunistic about what you just stated about their program!
They of course have set the program up to always fail but will use the coaching as an excuse.
Unfortunately this will never change in many places UNLESS the NCAA made it mandatory that the programs(sports) a school MUST have to be a part of the NCAA should have "equitable opportunities" for coaches and athletes.
The majority of all Universities AD's and Presidents are "wana-bees". They wana-bee good basketball schools or wanna-bee good football schools so they can be SOMEBODY. The other AD's and Presidents (very small percent) get out and raise money so they can win the all sports championship AND the Academic achievement awards.
Now a "retired" coach that was interested in to go Xavier and maybe coach two or three quality kids could probably be happy there.
Well...students are showing up for the start of the year. It's still very hot. The buses have been on time. Leroy Burrell is getting ready to start fall training. Let me see...lots of stuff. Why?
Hdfghrfhynf wrote:
What is happening at University of Houston?
been there to X wrote:
Can't speak to anything except Xavier. I interviewed there and was offered the job for $23,000 no benefits. What struck me was that everyone I met simply didnt care, and talked badly about the program. I'm talking the associate AD, head trainer, academic advisor, etc. The associcate AD told me: "we know we aren't going to be very successful so just do your best". I was blown away by their negativity. Then they couldn't understand why I turned the job down. It is a cultural thing that cc/track are treated this way in some schools. I asked one of the administrators how they could justify spending a million bucks a year on a basketball coach and not provide benefits to their cc/track coach. Was told they were working on it. Very sad that schools like Xavier don't care.
Really interesting but not at all surprised. What they must have been trying to tell you was "Please realize your ONLY job is to register a score in six xc meets and make 14 kids complete an event in 12 track meets (so we still receive NCAA sport sponsorship disbursement - 30k/sport/year over 14 sports) and that's IT. Please don't rock the boat when you realize the depth of our indifference. We want someone who knows their role and will do it with a smile on their face...if/when we ever see you."
Sure, could be a foot in the door for a young coach not getting noticed anywhere else...but what do they do after spending years in futility and they're tired of being a running club manager?
As an Ohioan who knows some of the kids at XU, it pains me to see this approach. However, I think it could be a workable situation for somebody who had a spouse making good bank. If that person were patient and could say all the right things to the administration while continuing to bring in the amount of kids each year that a school like that can draw... I really think that kind of person could outlast the current administration. It's not going to happen overnight and as Dan Flaute found out, just griping about it won't affect any change there.
Cardinal Camel Goggles wrote:
been there to X wrote:Can't speak to anything except Xavier. I interviewed there and was offered the job for $23,000 no benefits. What struck me was that everyone I met simply didnt care, and talked badly about the program. I'm talking the associate AD, head trainer, academic advisor, etc. The associcate AD told me: "we know we aren't going to be very successful so just do your best". I was blown away by their negativity. Then they couldn't understand why I turned the job down. It is a cultural thing that cc/track are treated this way in some schools. I asked one of the administrators how they could justify spending a million bucks a year on a basketball coach and not provide benefits to their cc/track coach. Was told they were working on it. Very sad that schools like Xavier don't care.
Really interesting but not at all surprised. What they must have been trying to tell you was "Please realize your ONLY job is to register a score in six xc meets and make 14 kids complete an event in 12 track meets (so we still receive NCAA sport sponsorship disbursement - 30k/sport/year over 14 sports) and that's IT. Please don't rock the boat when you realize the depth of our indifference. We want someone who knows their role and will do it with a smile on their face...if/when we ever see you."
Sure, could be a foot in the door for a young coach not getting noticed anywhere else...but what do they do after spending years in futility and they're tired of being a running club manager?
clever name wrote:
He is director of operations not director of T&F. the operations director is responsible for a lot of the administrative work. It is a non coaching position
Thank you for that clarification.
Bruinboy wrote:
Well...students are showing up for the start of the year. It's still very hot. The buses have been on time. Leroy Burrell is getting ready to start fall training. Let me see...lots of stuff. Why?
Hdfghrfhynf wrote:What is happening at University of Houston?
I'm pretty sure the post was referring to the cross country vacancy since we're on the damn job thread.