For once, the libs own us.
Alice Stewart
@AliceStewartDC
7:30 AM · Sep 10, 2021
"I am fully vaccinated. Not sure why others do what they do."
This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Noyankee wrote:
Harambe wrote:
We’ll never know the answer probably so admonishing someone for stating their opinion before “all the data are in” is silly.
It’s totally fine to say “zoonosis is most likely but lab leak is possible”
Shocker, but you don’t have to be a dogmatic absolutist about every issue. Uncertainty is ok.
There’s no uncertainty. no Chinese dude bit the head off a bat and created Covid. the narrative was established by the CDC/Fauci/WHO and others, who all lied to The People about virtually every aspect of COVID. This was created in a lab folks, to believe otherwise would be a suspension of reality.
so have an honest debate, it must start there. this is the core principle which needs to be agreed on, else you are terminal.
Again, these are talking points from 2021. You have not kept up with the recent data which is not surprising. It’s ok, I’m used to educating low information types
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DanM wrote:
For once, the libs own us.
Alice Stewart
@AliceStewartDC
7:30 AM · Sep 10, 2021"I am fully vaccinated. Not sure why others do what they do."
DanM rejoices at deaths on a Saturday. Demonic is a word that comes to mind.
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Sub-9:00 guy wrote:
Harambe wrote:
T cell immunity is broader for vaccines too.
You have no evidence “omicron ended the pandemic” you just REALLY don’t like it when I say that vaccines ended it.I have evidence that a large fraction of the improvements in severe disease and death rates occurred thanks to vaccination and not omicron infection. That’s all the evidence I need, and, is vastly more than you’ve ever provided. Your argument basically amount to “nuh uh” and restating what you desperately hope to be true. But it’s not.
I really don’t care that you say the vaccines ended it, doesn’t bother me in the least actually, because my view is either vaccines OR natural immunity ended it, together. Three shots for the highest risk plus Omicron infection or Delta, followed by Omicron, ended it.
You will recall that the CDC itself produced the data that showed that three shots PLUS infection was only marginally better than ZERO shots PLUS infection against bad outcomes.
Three shots ended it before omicron. Look at death risk and severe disease risk. You do not grasp my point. Im not even trying to argue against “natural immunity” so let’s stay on topic.
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Antivaxxers welcome guys like this into their camp. Shows their morals and commitment to evidence based discussion.
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DanM wrote:
For once, the libs own us.
Alice Stewart
@AliceStewartDC
7:30 AM · Sep 10, 2021"I am fully vaccinated. Not sure why others do what they do."
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Harambe wrote:
Sub-9:00 guy wrote:
I really don’t care that you say the vaccines ended it, doesn’t bother me in the least actually, because my view is either vaccines OR natural immunity ended it, together. Three shots for the highest risk plus Omicron infection or Delta, followed by Omicron, ended it.
You will recall that the CDC itself produced the data that showed that three shots PLUS infection was only marginally better than ZERO shots PLUS infection against bad outcomes.
Three shots ended it before omicron. Look at death risk and severe disease risk. You do not grasp my point. Im not even trying to argue against “natural immunity” so let’s stay on topic.
Stop playing silly games. Omicron ended the pandemic. You know this. Vaccines had been out for over a year and couldn’t even stop Omicron.
For whatever reason, you can’t handle the truth that the vaccines didn’t end the pandemic. Weird. 🤦♂️
And for someone who moved on from Covid three years ago, you sure do care about Covid a lot. 😂
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fastboy77 wrote:
I firmly disagree with your stance on vaccines and public health measures. Guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I'm not who you were replying to, but I like your comment to "agree to disagree."
I have many disagreements with how the pandemic was handled and one of them was how the government, NIH, CDC, and FDA, moved far beyond "agree to disagree." They conspired to restrict my personal freedoms in many ways, but the one I want to talk about here is how they co-opted the doctor-patient relationship by making off-label drugs taboo for use against COVID.
We have strong anecdotal and observational evidence that ivermectin worked for some patients. Doctors, who see their patients and know their medical history should have been allowed to prescribe it. Instead, they were ridiculed, censored, and even fired for recommending it. Even if you could find a doctor to write a script, the pharmacies wouldn't accept it. That was flat wrong!
It's especially egregious for ivermectin, a drug that won the Nobel prize as recently as 2015. Even if it didn't work, the downside is minimal, the risk is low, and the cost was pennies/dose before COVID because it's been around so long that it's generic. Just like vitamin D, it would have been a no-brainer to take it as a preventive.
I understand that the puppets in the medical industry must kowtow to their Big Pharma overlords, but they should have at least allowed us to pursue what we think is best for our own situation.
I'm okay with the pro-vaxxers here disagreeing with me. I'm okay with debate. I'm especially okay with agreeing to disagree. I've learned a lot from the debates here.
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fisky wrote:
I'm not who you were replying to, but I like your comment to "agree to disagree."
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We have strong anecdotal and observational evidence that ivermectin worked for some patients.
I'm hesitant to re-litigate the controversy around Ivermectin, but my understanding of Ivermectin is that there are numerous randomized controlled trials that show no significant benefit.
We can certainly "agree to disagree" in matters of subjective judgement like the relative likelihood of the various covid origin hypotheses where the data is absent or inconclusive. However, when one party or the other simply ignores strong evidence that contradicts there hypothesis we've left the realm of good faith conversation and I'm not inclined to engage with people who do so.
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. — Bernard Baruch
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Yolos28 wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Three shots ended it before omicron. Look at death risk and severe disease risk. You do not grasp my point. Im not even trying to argue against “natural immunity” so let’s stay on topic.
Stop playing silly games. Omicron ended the pandemic. You know this. Vaccines had been out for over a year and couldn’t even stop Omicron.
For whatever reason, you can’t handle the truth that the vaccines didn’t end the pandemic. Weird. 🤦♂️
And for someone who moved on from Covid three years ago, you sure do care about Covid a lot. 😂
I’ve laid out my argument many times about this and you refuse to engage with it. Low IQ troll. Disappointing!
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Harambe wrote:
Yolos28 wrote:
Stop playing silly games. Omicron ended the pandemic. You know this. Vaccines had been out for over a year and couldn’t even stop Omicron.
For whatever reason, you can’t handle the truth that the vaccines didn’t end the pandemic. Weird. 🤦♂️
And for someone who moved on from Covid three years ago, you sure do care about Covid a lot. 😂
I’ve laid out my argument many times about this and you refuse to engage with it. Low IQ troll. Disappointing!
And it has been pointed out how your argument was wrong many times. 🤦♂️
Sometimes I feel like Sisyphus on this thread. What? Do you think the 30th time it’s explained to you will finally be the one? 😂 That long vax is getting to your brain.
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Harambe wrote:
DanM wrote:
For once, the libs own us.
Alice Stewart
@AliceStewartDC
7:30 AM · Sep 10, 2021"I am fully vaccinated. Not sure why others do what they do."
DanM rejoices at deaths on a Saturday. Demonic is a word that comes to mind.
I started a thread about this, but it was deleted.
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In her free time, Stewart was an avid runner. She frequently posted photos from road races on social media, including from the TCS New York City Marathon, which she ran in November, and the Credit Union Cherry Blossom 10 Mile race, which she ran last month.Alice Stewart
@AliceStewartDC
7:30 AM · Sep 10, 2021
"I am fully vaccinated. Not sure why others do what they do."10 -
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
fisky wrote:
I'm not who you were replying to, but I like your comment to "agree to disagree."
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We have strong anecdotal and observational evidence that ivermectin worked for some patients.
I'm hesitant to re-litigate the controversy around Ivermectin, but my understanding of Ivermectin is that there are numerous randomized controlled trials that show no significant benefit.
We can certainly "agree to disagree" in matters of subjective judgement like the relative likelihood of the various covid origin hypotheses where the data is absent or inconclusive. However, when one party or the other simply ignores strong evidence that contradicts there hypothesis we've left the realm of good faith conversation and I'm not inclined to engage with people who do so.
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. — Bernard Baruch
It’s amazing that Dr. Robert Redfield, BS/MD from Georgetown and former director of the CDC has an opinion but not a set of “facts” or your set of approved “facts.” Maybe the facts are incomplete and not that pristine. I guess Redfield has lot’s of brother’s cousin’s girlfriend anecdotes🙄.
“Dr. Redfield made the remarks in a May 16 interview with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation, during which he lamented the loss of public confidence in public health agencies because of a lack of transparency around the vaccines, which he said “saved a lot of lives” but also made some people “quite ill.”
“Those of us that tried to suggest there may be significant side effects from vaccines ... we kind of got canceled because no one wanted to talk about the potential that there was a problem from the vaccines, because they were afraid that that would cause people not to want to get vaccinated,” Dr. Redfield said.
“They’re important for the most vulnerable people, those over 60, 65 years of age. They really aren’t that critical for those that are under 50 or younger. But those vaccines saved a lot of lives, but they also—we have to be honest, some people got significant side effects from the vaccine,” he said.
“I have a number of people that are quite ill and they never had COVID, but they are ill from the vaccine,” he continued. “And we just have to acknowledge that.”00 -
Harambe wrote:
Antivaxxers welcome guys like this into their camp. Shows their morals and commitment to evidence based discussion.
Principle vs. Ignorance.
The choice is obvious.
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nahbrahs wrote:
2600bro wrote:
I wouldn’t call that irony in the same way you are alleging one of Colbert’s vax dancers died from cancer caused by the vaccine to simplify it for nahbrahs. I would call it malevolent and a criminal coverup with global ramifications.
Why won’t Dan say that the vaccine caused her cancer and what is his support for such a claim?
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Sub-9:00 guy wrote:
Monkeys Skyping wrote:
I'm hesitant to re-litigate the controversy around Ivermectin, but my understanding of Ivermectin is that there are numerous randomized controlled trials that show no significant benefit.
We can certainly "agree to disagree" in matters of subjective judgement like the relative likelihood of the various covid origin hypotheses where the data is absent or inconclusive. However, when one party or the other simply ignores strong evidence that contradicts there hypothesis we've left the realm of good faith conversation and I'm not inclined to engage with people who do so.
Every man has a right to his opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. — Bernard Baruch
It’s amazing that Dr. Robert Redfield, BS/MD from Georgetown and former director of the CDC has an opinion but not a set of “facts” or your set of approved “facts.” Maybe the facts are incomplete and not that pristine. I guess Redfield has lot’s of brother’s cousin’s girlfriend anecdotes🙄.
“Dr. Redfield made the remarks in a May 16 interview with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation, during which he lamented the loss of public confidence in public health agencies because of a lack of transparency around the vaccines, which he said “saved a lot of lives” but also made some people “quite ill.”
“Those of us that tried to suggest there may be significant side effects from vaccines ... we kind of got canceled because no one wanted to talk about the potential that there was a problem from the vaccines, because they were afraid that that would cause people not to want to get vaccinated,” Dr. Redfield said.
“They’re important for the most vulnerable people, those over 60, 65 years of age. They really aren’t that critical for those that are under 50 or younger. But those vaccines saved a lot of lives, but they also—we have to be honest, some people got significant side effects from the vaccine,” he said.
“I have a number of people that are quite ill and they never had COVID, but they are ill from the vaccine,” he continued. “And we just have to acknowledge that.”
For the love of God, why don’t these people like
RedfieldandBirxconsult with Harambro before they come out with these statements. 😂00 -
Yolos28 wrote:
Sub-9:00 guy wrote:
It’s amazing that Dr. Robert Redfield, BS/MD from Georgetown and former director of the CDC has an opinion but not a set of “facts” or your set of approved “facts.” Maybe the facts are incomplete and not that pristine. I guess Redfield has lot’s of brother’s cousin’s girlfriend anecdotes🙄.
“Dr. Redfield made the remarks in a May 16 interview with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation, during which he lamented the loss of public confidence in public health agencies because of a lack of transparency around the vaccines, which he said “saved a lot of lives” but also made some people “quite ill.”
“Those of us that tried to suggest there may be significant side effects from vaccines ... we kind of got canceled because no one wanted to talk about the potential that there was a problem from the vaccines, because they were afraid that that would cause people not to want to get vaccinated,” Dr. Redfield said.
“They’re important for the most vulnerable people, those over 60, 65 years of age. They really aren’t that critical for those that are under 50 or younger. But those vaccines saved a lot of lives, but they also—we have to be honest, some people got significant side effects from the vaccine,” he said.
“I have a number of people that are quite ill and they never had COVID, but they are ill from the vaccine,” he continued. “And we just have to acknowledge that.”
For the love of God, why don’t these people like
RedfieldandBirxconsult with Harambro before they come out with these statements. 😂Because they are morons and credentialism☝️☝️😂😂.
You will be crossing out some other big names in the not-too-distant future. Not just Tabak.
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