This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
The thing is... we didn't even need a study on vit D.
We had overwhelming evidence that...
- COVID hit the elderly, obese, African Americans, and D deficient harder than other groups.
- 3 in 4 of the above groups are vit D deficient
- 4 in 10 US adults are D deficient
- vit D reduces the risk of colon and bladder cancer, heart disease, and viral infections (influenza)
- vit D is extremely safe, extremely inexpensive, and easily available. It's only 10 cents a day for 10,000 IU, for goodness sakes! The government could have given them away
I didn't need a study to show me the cost benefit and risk/reward ratio strongly supported taking vitamin D. My annual cost was... doing the math on a napkin... about $60.
I was appalled that during the first year of COVID that our public health spokespersons RECOMMENDED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the public's resistance to viral infections. Instead, they ignored vitamin D, weight loss, and repurposed drugs that doctors in the field were using with successful results.
The question which to my knowledge is inconclusive in the literature, is whether there is a significant benefit to maintaining serum vitamin D levels above the NIH "sufficient" threshold of 70 nmol/L (30 ng/mL). No one here has ever argued against the probable or demonstrable benefit of supplementation to address deficient levels.
Well, Cleveland Clinic is recommending (40-60 ng/ML) as non-deficient, and many of the doctors I read, a couple I talked to, and my current doc want it up around 60. Of course, I've never seen a study looking at 60 ng/ML pre-empting the worst Covid outcomes, so we don't know. Harambe hasn't produced it. Just one more study really has become just one study.
Minimally, we can say vit D supplementation was a "net positive," safe, and worth it for every age group for which it was recommended.
The thing is... we didn't even need a study on vit D.
We had overwhelming evidence that...
- COVID hit the elderly, obese, African Americans, and D deficient harder than other groups.
- 3 in 4 of the above groups are vit D deficient
- 4 in 10 US adults are D deficient
- vit D reduces the risk of colon and bladder cancer, heart disease, and viral infections (influenza)
- vit D is extremely safe, extremely inexpensive, and easily available. It's only 10 cents a day for 10,000 IU, for goodness sakes! The government could have given them away
I didn't need a study to show me the cost benefit and risk/reward ratio strongly supported taking vitamin D. My annual cost was... doing the math on a napkin... about $60.
I was appalled that during the first year of COVID that our public health spokespersons RECOMMENDED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the public's resistance to viral infections. Instead, they ignored vitamin D, weight loss, and repurposed drugs that doctors in the field were using with successful results.
I agree. This was the easy button, along with a few other things. Easy. Low cost. No risk. Available before a three shot series.
The thing is... we didn't even need a study on vit D.
We had overwhelming evidence that...
- COVID hit the elderly, obese, African Americans, and D deficient harder than other groups.
- 3 in 4 of the above groups are vit D deficient
- 4 in 10 US adults are D deficient
- vit D reduces the risk of colon and bladder cancer, heart disease, and viral infections (influenza)
- vit D is extremely safe, extremely inexpensive, and easily available. It's only 10 cents a day for 10,000 IU, for goodness sakes! The government could have given them away
I didn't need a study to show me the cost benefit and risk/reward ratio strongly supported taking vitamin D. My annual cost was... doing the math on a napkin... about $60.
I was appalled that during the first year of COVID that our public health spokespersons RECOMMENDED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the public's resistance to viral infections. Instead, they ignored vitamin D, weight loss, and repurposed drugs that doctors in the field were using with successful results.
Why are you trying to interact with the trolls, as if they weren't brainwashed idiots, shills, and/or government agency sock puppets?
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Guys you can take Vit D. No one stopped you. It’s just not as effective (anywhere close) as getting vaccinated. For most people it won’t make a difference. But it’s hard to overdose on! Fire away!
The thing is... we didn't even need a study on vit D.
We had overwhelming evidence that...
- COVID hit the elderly, obese, African Americans, and D deficient harder than other groups.
- 3 in 4 of the above groups are vit D deficient
- 4 in 10 US adults are D deficient
- vit D reduces the risk of colon and bladder cancer, heart disease, and viral infections (influenza)
- vit D is extremely safe, extremely inexpensive, and easily available. It's only 10 cents a day for 10,000 IU, for goodness sakes! The government could have given them away
I didn't need a study to show me the cost benefit and risk/reward ratio strongly supported taking vitamin D. My annual cost was... doing the math on a napkin... about $60.
I was appalled that during the first year of COVID that our public health spokespersons RECOMMENDED ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to improve the public's resistance to viral infections. Instead, they ignored vitamin D, weight loss, and repurposed drugs that doctors in the field were using with successful results.
I agree. This was the easy button, along with a few other things. Easy. Low cost. No risk. Available before a three shot series.
Such a myopic view was taken in regards to ending the pandemic that it cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Simple protocols that now have been shown to have worked were mocked in 2020/2021. People were told that the vaccine was the only way to end the pandemic (which turned out to be wrong since it took Omicron to finally end it).
Now that the “net-positive” is shown to be shrinking every day, the vaxtards want to live in 2021 again. 👎
Outlines probable and definite jab related deaths but importantly also mentions the infertility resulting from the jabs, making depopulation suspicions relevant.
World pop growth is certainly unsustainable and a concern to the environment, quality of living and resources available as well. Makes sense to curtail it but of course they can't openly admit that because sheep would panic and fail to understand beyond their selfish perspective. RFK Jr has elaborated that secret service wants to cap the population at 8 billion, so with it above 10 billion now or soon, reduction is necessary. The warmongering is also concerning given that reality. But yes, perhaps the vaccine can contribute to that reduction slowly over time. It certainly can cause cancers and development of blood clots over time. This won't be officially acknowledged until decades from now, inevitably. For now they can blame other factors as a smokescreen and most will believe it and not comprehend the deception as usual.
Guys you can take Vit D. No one stopped you. It’s just not as effective (anywhere close) as getting vaccinated. For most people it won’t make a difference. But it’s hard to overdose on! Fire away!
The vaccine wasn’t available for most until close to year two of the pandemic, dumba$$.
Why do I respond to these morons? They have about as much common sense as a freakin’ hammer. 🤦♂️
Guys you can take Vit D. No one stopped you. It’s just not as effective (anywhere close) as getting vaccinated. For most people it won’t make a difference. But it’s hard to overdose on! Fire away!
Yes it's a motte and bailey argument.
They make tons of claims that Vit D is basically all you need against COVID. That somehow it was criminally under-encouraged etc. Public health is quite clear that Vit D is important and that you should have your levels checked if you're at risk.
When you call them out on it they're like 'what? we're just saying don't be deficient!'
It's a common tactic to smuggle in their contrarian unsupported views in 'agreeable' packaging.
Guys you can take Vit D. No one stopped you. It’s just not as effective (anywhere close) as getting vaccinated. For most people it won’t make a difference. But it’s hard to overdose on! Fire away!
Yes it's a motte and bailey argument.
They make tons of claims that Vit D is basically all you need against COVID. That somehow it was criminally under-encouraged etc. Public health is quite clear that Vit D is important and that you should have your levels checked if you're at risk.
When you call them out on it they're like 'what? we're just saying don't be deficient!'
It's a common tactic to smuggle in their contrarian unsupported views in 'agreeable' packaging.
It's too bad we can't have a legitimate discussion or even a survey of this forum to find out what our posters are seeing in their own circle of friends.
Counting only people that I have personally talked to at some point in the past few years, I have seen far more likely deaths and severe adverse events from the vaccine than from covid. I've seen 4 likely vaccine deaths and 4 vaccine AEs.
Covid deaths: 1* This person was vaccinated two weeks before getting COVID.
Long COVID: 1** This person had a reaction to dose 1 and a very severe reaction to 2nd vaxx. She and her doctor think her problems could be a combination of vaxx and long COVID.
Vaccine deaths: 4
- age 60+. Training for Boston. Died in sleep
- age 60+. Poor health. Obese.
- age 80+. Very poor health.
- age 65-69. Removed a 2 foot blood clot! Cancer came out of remission after vaxx.
Vaccine Severe Adverse Events: 4
- Age 70+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized.
- Age 50+. Fit, healthy runner. Extreme disability. Unable to walk. Over a year to return to normal.
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Heart attack during a 5k. Fit and healthy. Would have died, except he collapsed near a medical tent.
All four of these Vaccine AEs were healthy runners who had no previous problems. Three of the four were national caliber runners. Only one of the four was diagnosed as vaccine damage.
In my 76+ years on the planet, I've never known any healthy friend to be hospitalized with seizure, yet I've now seen two in the past two years.
None of the deaths were counted as vaccine related because there was no way to prove they were vaxx related.
When people say, "Well, that's just anecdotes," what I hear is a classic line from Chico Marx in Duck Soup.
"Who are you going to believe? Me. Or your own eyes!"
If it were one or two incidents, I'd just write it off as a coincidence, but with more than three... well, I'll just believe my own eyes.
Guys you can take Vit D. No one stopped you. It’s just not as effective (anywhere close) as getting vaccinated. For most people it won’t make a difference. But it’s hard to overdose on! Fire away!
Yes it's a motte and bailey argument.
They make tons of claims that Vit D is basically all you need against COVID. That somehow it was criminally under-encouraged etc. Public health is quite clear that Vit D is important and that you should have your levels checked if you're at risk.
When you call them out on it they're like 'what? we're just saying don't be deficient!'
It's a common tactic to smuggle in their contrarian unsupported views in 'agreeable' packaging.
In other words, you can't produce a paper looking at raising vitamin D well above "deficiency" as allopathic medicine defined it of <20 ng/mL to 60 ng/mL to see it's actual pre-emptive impact on Covid morbidity and mortality. You think 30 is good enough so why wouldn't 60 be, it's "just a vitamin?" Thanks for nothing, as usual.
Also, the impact of a handful of things together, in addition to vitamin D. We have anecdotal research that a number of virucidal nasal sprays mitigated the course of illness, but of course we don't have widespread data, so, therefore, this "crap doesn't work."
I agree. This was the easy button, along with a few other things. Easy. Low cost. No risk. Available before a three shot series.
Such a myopic view was taken in regards to ending the pandemic that it cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Simple protocols that now have been shown to have worked were mocked in 2020/2021. People were told that the vaccine was the only way to end the pandemic (which turned out to be wrong since it took Omicron to finally end it).
Now that the “net-positive” is shown to be shrinking every day, the vaxtards want to live in 2021 again. 👎
Vaccines weren't even available for the first year for most and the 3-shot series wasn't available to be completed til the end of 2021. And people were still getting sick and spreading the virus, vaccinated or not. Thank God Omicron finally, for all intents and purposes, ended the pandemic. Vax-induced immunity or convalescent immunity, which are equivalent, still needed Omicron to put the nail in the coffin.
It's too bad we can't have a legitimate discussion or even a survey of this forum to find out what our posters are seeing in their own circle of friends.
Counting only people that I have personally talked to at some point in the past few years, I have seen far more likely deaths and severe adverse events from the vaccine than from covid. I've seen 4 likely vaccine deaths and 4 vaccine AEs.
Covid deaths: 1* This person was vaccinated two weeks before getting COVID.
Long COVID: 1** This person had a reaction to dose 1 and a very severe reaction to 2nd vaxx. She and her doctor think her problems could be a combination of vaxx and long COVID.
Vaccine deaths: 4
- age 60+. Training for Boston. Died in sleep
- age 60+. Poor health. Obese.
- age 80+. Very poor health.
- age 65-69. Removed a 2 foot blood clot! Cancer came out of remission after vaxx.
Vaccine Severe Adverse Events: 4
- Age 70+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized.
- Age 50+. Fit, healthy runner. Extreme disability. Unable to walk. Over a year to return to normal.
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Heart attack during a 5k. Fit and healthy. Would have died, except he collapsed near a medical tent.
All four of these Vaccine AEs were healthy runners who had no previous problems. Three of the four were national caliber runners. Only one of the four was diagnosed as vaccine damage.
In my 76+ years on the planet, I've never known any healthy friend to be hospitalized with seizure, yet I've now seen two in the past two years.
None of the deaths were counted as vaccine related because there was no way to prove they were vaxx related.
When people say, "Well, that's just anecdotes," what I hear is a classic line from Chico Marx in Duck Soup.
"Who are you going to believe? Me. Or your own eyes!"
If it were one or two incidents, I'd just write it off as a coincidence, but with more than three... well, I'll just believe my own eyes.
Exactly. But boy are you a great writer of fables Fisky, and you don't know how to do even basic data interpretation. Also, I'm sure my friend just has "lyme myocarditis," I'm sure that's it, and my other friend's RBBB is just congenital, even though none of these manifested until after the vaccines. I am clearly just making this sh*t up.
In other words, you can't produce a paper looking at raising vitamin D well above "deficiency" as allopathic medicine defined it of <20 ng/mL to 60 ng/mL to see it's actual pre-emptive impact on Covid morbidity and mortality. You think 30 is good enough so why wouldn't 60 be, it's "just a vitamin?" Thanks for nothing, as usual.
Also, the impact of a handful of things together, in addition to vitamin D. We have anecdotal research that a number of virucidal nasal sprays mitigated the course of illness, but of course we don't have widespread data, so, therefore, this "crap doesn't work."
It's not the lack of widespread data *red herring*... it's the lack of good data. Health isn't an on-off switch (ask your "daughter") it's about efficacy...The handful of things together maybe decreased odds of covid severity by a few %points. But again you have to lie to make your point. No one was saying don't do these things, they were saying they weren't effective as a vaccine.
It's too bad we can't have a legitimate discussion or even a survey of this forum to find out what our posters are seeing in their own circle of friends.
Counting only people that I have personally talked to at some point in the past few years, I have seen far more likely deaths and severe adverse events from the vaccine than from covid. I've seen 4 likely vaccine deaths and 4 vaccine AEs.
Covid deaths: 1* This person was vaccinated two weeks before getting COVID.
Long COVID: 1** This person had a reaction to dose 1 and a very severe reaction to 2nd vaxx. She and her doctor think her problems could be a combination of vaxx and long COVID.
Vaccine deaths: 4
- age 60+. Training for Boston. Died in sleep
- age 60+. Poor health. Obese.
- age 80+. Very poor health.
- age 65-69. Removed a 2 foot blood clot! Cancer came out of remission after vaxx.
Vaccine Severe Adverse Events: 4
- Age 70+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized.
- Age 50+. Fit, healthy runner. Extreme disability. Unable to walk. Over a year to return to normal.
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Heart attack during a 5k. Fit and healthy. Would have died, except he collapsed near a medical tent.
All four of these Vaccine AEs were healthy runners who had no previous problems. Three of the four were national caliber runners. Only one of the four was diagnosed as vaccine damage.
In my 76+ years on the planet, I've never known any healthy friend to be hospitalized with seizure, yet I've now seen two in the past two years.
None of the deaths were counted as vaccine related because there was no way to prove they were vaxx related.
When people say, "Well, that's just anecdotes," what I hear is a classic line from Chico Marx in Duck Soup.
"Who are you going to believe? Me. Or your own eyes!"
If it were one or two incidents, I'd just write it off as a coincidence, but with more than three... well, I'll just believe my own eyes.
Yes, I take all of my medical advice from Chico Marx. Great pull there.
In other words, you can't produce a paper looking at raising vitamin D well above "deficiency" as allopathic medicine defined it of <20 ng/mL to 60 ng/mL to see it's actual pre-emptive impact on Covid morbidity and mortality. You think 30 is good enough so why wouldn't 60 be, it's "just a vitamin?" Thanks for nothing, as usual.
Also, the impact of a handful of things together, in addition to vitamin D. We have anecdotal research that a number of virucidal nasal sprays mitigated the course of illness, but of course we don't have widespread data, so, therefore, this "crap doesn't work."
It's not the lack of widespread data *red herring*... it's the lack of good data. Health isn't an on-off switch (ask your "daughter") it's about efficacy...The handful of things together maybe decreased odds of covid severity by a few %points. But again you have to lie to make your point. No one was saying don't do these things, they were saying they weren't effective as a vaccine.
It's too bad we can't have a legitimate discussion or even a survey of this forum to find out what our posters are seeing in their own circle of friends.
Counting only people that I have personally talked to at some point in the past few years, I have seen far more likely deaths and severe adverse events from the vaccine than from covid. I've seen 4 likely vaccine deaths and 4 vaccine AEs.
Covid deaths: 1* This person was vaccinated two weeks before getting COVID.
Long COVID: 1** This person had a reaction to dose 1 and a very severe reaction to 2nd vaxx. She and her doctor think her problems could be a combination of vaxx and long COVID.
Vaccine deaths: 4
- age 60+. Training for Boston. Died in sleep
- age 60+. Poor health. Obese.
- age 80+. Very poor health.
- age 65-69. Removed a 2 foot blood clot! Cancer came out of remission after vaxx.
Vaccine Severe Adverse Events: 4
- Age 70+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Seizure. Hospitalized.
- Age 50+. Fit, healthy runner. Extreme disability. Unable to walk. Over a year to return to normal.
- Age 60+. Fit, healthy runner. Heart attack during a 5k. Fit and healthy. Would have died, except he collapsed near a medical tent.
All four of these Vaccine AEs were healthy runners who had no previous problems. Three of the four were national caliber runners. Only one of the four was diagnosed as vaccine damage.
In my 76+ years on the planet, I've never known any healthy friend to be hospitalized with seizure, yet I've now seen two in the past two years.
None of the deaths were counted as vaccine related because there was no way to prove they were vaxx related.
When people say, "Well, that's just anecdotes," what I hear is a classic line from Chico Marx in Duck Soup.
"Who are you going to believe? Me. Or your own eyes!"
If it were one or two incidents, I'd just write it off as a coincidence, but with more than three... well, I'll just believe my own eyes.
80+, very poor health, likely vaccine death. OK...
It's just speculation right? I am open to looking at data here, but come on.
Heart attacks during exercise have always been a thing. Just very rare.
They make tons of claims that Vit D is basically all you need against COVID. That somehow it was criminally under-encouraged etc. Public health is quite clear that Vit D is important and that you should have your levels checked if you're at risk.
When you call them out on it they're like 'what? we're just saying don't be deficient!'
It's a common tactic to smuggle in their contrarian unsupported views in 'agreeable' packaging.
In other words, you can't produce a paper looking at raising vitamin D well above "deficiency" as allopathic medicine defined it of <20 ng/mL to 60 ng/mL to see it's actual pre-emptive impact on Covid morbidity and mortality. You think 30 is good enough so why wouldn't 60 be, it's "just a vitamin?" Thanks for nothing, as usual.
Also, the impact of a handful of things together, in addition to vitamin D. We have anecdotal research that a number of virucidal nasal sprays mitigated the course of illness, but of course we don't have widespread data, so, therefore, this "crap doesn't work."
Generally the people making claims have duty to defend them. "You can't produce null evidence" isn't a compelling argument.
You're welcome to take Vitamin D. For the vast majority of people it would do nothing to prevent sickness. It's "net positive" for a very small segment of population. Again, it's just wondering why aren't all on anti-malarials, or HIV prophylaxis... "just in case"
In other words, you can't produce a paper looking at raising vitamin D well above "deficiency" as allopathic medicine defined it of <20 ng/mL to 60 ng/mL to see it's actual pre-emptive impact on Covid morbidity and mortality. You think 30 is good enough so why wouldn't 60 be, it's "just a vitamin?" Thanks for nothing, as usual.
Also, the impact of a handful of things together, in addition to vitamin D. We have anecdotal research that a number of virucidal nasal sprays mitigated the course of illness, but of course we don't have widespread data, so, therefore, this "crap doesn't work."
You're welcome to take Vitamin D. For the vast majority of people it would do nothing to prevent sickness. It's "net positive" for a very small segment of population. Again, it's just wondering why aren't all on anti-malarials, or HIV prophylaxis... "just in case"
You're welcome to take Vitamin D. For the vast majority of people it would do nothing to prevent sickness. It's "net positive" for a very small segment of population. Again, it's just wondering why aren't all on anti-malarials, or HIV prophylaxis... "just in case"
