Honest about Obama wrote:
Yes, like this. But Democrats look away because of who says the facts, not the words that are factually being said.
Take a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIMnIh10po0
The opinion of one person who obviously just wants attention isn't worth all that much. Trying to compare Obama in any way to what is going on with Trump is ridiculous.
Honest about TRUMP wrote:
Yes, like this. But Republicans look away because of who says the facts, not the words that are factually being said.
Libs in Conundrum wrote:
I would think you would want to know the truth and you would be appalled by the Democratic congressmen who voted to protect Hillary Clinton when it was beyond obvious that she was lying.
Maybe I'm not watching enough right-wing media, but I don't understand this taking point without some context. Specifically how is that the Democratic congressional minority was able to protect Clinton from whatever it is you think she's guilty?
Feel free to not respond or to divert in which case I'll assume you're talking nonsense and targeting an audience other than rational persons.
Monkey typing wrote:
Libs in Conundrum wrote:
I would think you would want to know the truth and you would be appalled by the Democratic congressmen who voted to protect Hillary Clinton when it was beyond obvious that she was lying.
Maybe I'm not watching enough right-wing media, but I don't understand this taking point without some context. Specifically how is that the Democratic congressional minority was able to protect Clinton from whatever it is you think she's guilty?
Feel free to not respond or to divert in which case I'll assume you're talking nonsense and targeting an audience other than rational persons.
Meanwhile, Obama wasn't able get his SCOTUS nominee even looked at by those in charge—Deep State Republicans.
Flagpole wrote:
Thewoodsman3 wrote:
Coming from someone who voted for Clinton, you really made yourself look dumb there.
Hillary was the better choice of the two.
If she were in office and being accused of the things Trump is being accused of, I would rail on her too.
What a President has done is way more important than what a current normal citizen may or may not have done.
Just because one person may have been crooked does not mean another person gets a pass.
What?
Her husband was the President 4 terms ago. He was impeached, tried and acquitted (thank you Democrats who voted Party) and was able to finish out his term.
She runs for Senator and does squat in 2 terms, mainly pigtailing things that went thru by having her name added.
Her and her husband are linked to dozens of murders (all coincidental of course). If Trump were linked to just one reliable murder in any way, shape, or form, as God is my witness, he would not have gotten my vote. Research it, it's not all fake news.
You know up front all of the crap that they are both linked to, yet you vehemently deny it clinging to the they "weren't convicted" defense (instead of using your own mind knowing that obviously they are guilty of many, many things).
She was caught numerous time lying about very important things, simply to get elected. They stole HUGE amounts of money. To not believe that is downright insane as calling you a liar isn't strong enough.
Now, you're going to try to convince me that you didn't vote Party first?
Trump has done nothing bad to the average legal citizen of the USA. If he gets 3 years in and does zilch, I wouldn't vote for him again, period. I believe in 2 years you're going to see solid positive changes, more than if Hillary would have been voted in.
Hillary went in a total crook. Lied to her own party on many stances, but was voted in my women, blacks, minorities, dumb males who watch Oprah, etc... What did Obama REALLY do for minorities?
The day of being elected, he changed his tune and said that we can't do it in 4 years, it may take 8, remember?
Trump, aside from lying like ALL politicians on topics, has done what so badly in a year? I've never seen more subdivisions go up this year in my Tri County area since 2005. The stock market, overall, has soared.
Russain Ads? Please, if you were rich enough you could have put out ads, who cares? Most people have their mind already made up and are not changing it because of some silly ad ripping either candidate. Did Clinton's ads against Trump change my mind, no. So why would I care WHO put them out and I'm not even saying the Russians did, I just don't think it means jack sh*t.
His electoral vote victory was pretty healthy. Move on and see what the next few years bring versus damaging your health by constantly complaining. If I complained about Obama over 8 years as you guys have over Trump in 1, I'd be dead with Ulcers and a stroke to boot!
Monkey typing wrote:
Libs in Conundrum wrote:
I would think you would want to know the truth and you would be appalled by the Democratic congressmen who voted to protect Hillary Clinton when it was beyond obvious that she was lying.
Maybe I'm not watching enough right-wing media, but I don't understand this taking point without some context. Specifically how is that the Democratic congressional minority was able to protect Clinton from whatever it is you think she's guilty?
Feel free to not respond or to divert in which case I'll assume you're talking nonsense and targeting an audience other than rational persons.
THINK she's guilty of? You're really not to in touch with politics if you think that. She's a crook and so is her husband. If they were Republicans, it wouldn't change my opinion one bit.
The thing not one trump supporter has said, is that they want to know the truth. Not one has said that. They will say well you didn't want the truth about hillary, although Hillary has had more hearings and investigations against her than anyone. They will say well all politicians lie, which doesn't address how serious some lies are to compared to others. They will NEVER say, I want to know the truth. That is at the core of our problem. If you don't really want the truth, you are the problem. All other posts you make are MEANINGLESS, if you can't claim that you want the truth.
Henry David Thoreau's Cabin wrote:
Libs in Conundrum wrote:
The problem is not entirely that we have crooked politicians as much as it is "you and those like you". Based on your posts you are so easily manipulated into thinking just in terms of our team versus theirs, and "YOU" forget to do in terms of what is right.
I would think you would want to know the truth and you would be appalled by the Democratic congressmen who voted to protect Hillary Clinton when it was beyond obvious that she was lying.
If you really cared about the truth, you would have mentioned that months ago...but you didn't. She got a free pass, many in fact, but because she didn't win, you're fine with her lying (which you HAVE to be smart enough to know). Did it bother you when she lied as a Senator?
People like you and Flagpole are the real racists who voted for their Party, not the right candidate. Only an idiot would actually believe FB advertising influence a Presidential Election in our great Country. I have a FB account and I never saw one ad, not one, and I don't put anything political on my page, zero!!!!
Is that what you meant to say?^^^^
Which is exactly why this thread won't ever die, but it will not have any substance. Democrats deny just how bad it would have been if Hillary had been elected, yet they wanted her to win which is beyond puzzling.
FP brags about money he made during the Obama years, but bitches when the market sees a drop after soaring to record levels---as if it would never go down.
Someone said it'll be the same on here in the Spring, Summer, Fall and next Winter. I couldn't agree more. 2 sides will never come together when there's no real honesty.
Trump is far from perfect and like most Presidents, he's not always honest. Wow, is that something new? Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc...
Trump and Clinton weren't the best choices, but what in God's great name do any of you think Hillary Clinton would be doing so differently that would be soooooo great and change your life how? Obama lied to get in.
To not admit that is pathetic. Raking leaves to get College Credit??? He said so much baloney to get elected it's ridiculous.
Thewoodsman3 wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Hillary was the better choice of the two.
If she were in office and being accused of the things Trump is being accused of, I would rail on her too.
What a President has done is way more important than what a current normal citizen may or may not have done.
Just because one person may have been crooked does not mean another person gets a pass.
What?
Her husband was the President 4 terms ago. He was impeached, tried and acquitted (thank you Democrats who voted Party) and was able to finish out his term.
She runs for Senator and does squat in 2 terms, mainly pigtailing things that went thru by having her name added.
Her and her husband are linked to dozens of murders (all coincidental of course). If Trump were linked to just one reliable murder in any way, shape, or form, as God is my witness, he would not have gotten my vote. Research it, it's not all fake news.
You know up front all of the crap that they are both linked to, yet you vehemently deny it clinging to the they "weren't convicted" defense (instead of using your own mind knowing that obviously they are guilty of many, many things).
She was caught numerous time lying about very important things, simply to get elected. They stole HUGE amounts of money. To not believe that is downright insane as calling you a liar isn't strong enough.
Now, you're going to try to convince me that you didn't vote Party first?
Trump has done nothing bad to the average legal citizen of the USA. If he gets 3 years in and does zilch, I wouldn't vote for him again, period. I believe in 2 years you're going to see solid positive changes, more than if Hillary would have been voted in.
Hillary went in a total crook. Lied to her own party on many stances, but was voted in my women, blacks, minorities, dumb males who watch Oprah, etc... What did Obama REALLY do for minorities?
The day of being elected, he changed his tune and said that we can't do it in 4 years, it may take 8, remember?
Trump, aside from lying like ALL politicians on topics, has done what so badly in a year? I've never seen more subdivisions go up this year in my Tri County area since 2005. The stock market, overall, has soared.
Russain Ads? Please, if you were rich enough you could have put out ads, who cares? Most people have their mind already made up and are not changing it because of some silly ad ripping either candidate. Did Clinton's ads against Trump change my mind, no. So why would I care WHO put them out and I'm not even saying the Russians did, I just don't think it means jack sh*t.
His electoral vote victory was pretty healthy. Move on and see what the next few years bring versus damaging your health by constantly complaining. If I complained about Obama over 8 years as you guys have over Trump in 1, I'd be dead with Ulcers and a stroke to boot!
No long response from me to a Trump apologist.
Conundrum wrote:
The thing not one trump supporter has said, is that they want to know the truth. Not one has said that. They will say well you didn't want the truth about hillary, although Hillary has had more hearings and investigations against her than anyone.
They will say well all politicians lie, which doesn't address how serious some lies are to compared to others.
They will NEVER say, I want to know the truth.
That is at the core of our problem. If you don't really want the truth, you are the problem.
All other posts you make are MEANINGLESS, if you can't claim that you want the truth.
This is true and right on the money.
Donny Jr.: "Dems are McCarthyists."
Donny Jr. in the next sentence: "Dems are left of Commie."
Hilarious!
It's a minor miracle that people this dumb ever managed to learn english and clothe themselves.
Trump's Sons wrote:
It's a minor miracle that people this dumb ever managed to learn english and clothe themselves.
All of Trump's kinds have IQ45s. Little Baron is being hidden for a reason. Different wives. Same IQ result. There is one constant, Trump.
Deluison Al wrote:
Are new to this country? wrote:
Thinking Trump is somehow going down is delusional.
Ever heard of Nixon?
Times have changed my friend.
Trump's kiddies wrote:
Trump's Sons wrote:
It's a minor miracle that people this dumb ever managed to learn english and clothe themselves.
All of Trump's kinds have IQ45s. Little Baron is being hidden for a reason. Different wives. Same IQ result. There is one constant, Trump.
You mean the low-IQ Trump that has been winning and taking names- all while never being able to be taken down, despite the establishment, the MSM, and many RINOs best efforts- for the last two and a half years now?
Do you idiots think the guy’s simply been lucking out over the last 2.5 years? He’s very smart, and knows exactly how to continue winning. He’s playing the aforementioned douche bags at their own game. You want to play dirty politics? Ok, let’s get dirty. You want to lie, mislead, and speculate to character assassinate? Ok, let’s lie, mislead, and speculate.
HE’S WINNING, you morons!
I “guarantee” you all will still be posting the same speculative garbage when 2020 rolls around and he’s in position to win again. And you’ll still be claiming he’s losing and is dumb.
Please reflect on how stupid this is.
Flagpole wrote:
Thewoodsman3 wrote:
What?
Her husband was the President 4 terms ago. He was impeached, tried and acquitted (thank you Democrats who voted Party) and was able to finish out his term.
She runs for Senator and does squat in 2 terms, mainly pigtailing things that went thru by having her name added.
Her and her husband are linked to dozens of murders (all coincidental of course). If Trump were linked to just one reliable murder in any way, shape, or form, as God is my witness, he would not have gotten my vote. Research it, it's not all fake news.
You know up front all of the crap that they are both linked to, yet you vehemently deny it clinging to the they "weren't convicted" defense (instead of using your own mind knowing that obviously they are guilty of many, many things).
She was caught numerous time lying about very important things, simply to get elected. They stole HUGE amounts of money. To not believe that is downright insane as calling you a liar isn't strong enough.
Now, you're going to try to convince me that you didn't vote Party first?
Trump has done nothing bad to the average legal citizen of the USA. If he gets 3 years in and does zilch, I wouldn't vote for him again, period. I believe in 2 years you're going to see solid positive changes, more than if Hillary would have been voted in.
Hillary went in a total crook. Lied to her own party on many stances, but was voted in my women, blacks, minorities, dumb males who watch Oprah, etc... What did Obama REALLY do for minorities?
The day of being elected, he changed his tune and said that we can't do it in 4 years, it may take 8, remember?
Trump, aside from lying like ALL politicians on topics, has done what so badly in a year? I've never seen more subdivisions go up this year in my Tri County area since 2005. The stock market, overall, has soared.
Russain Ads? Please, if you were rich enough you could have put out ads, who cares? Most people have their mind already made up and are not changing it because of some silly ad ripping either candidate. Did Clinton's ads against Trump change my mind, no. So why would I care WHO put them out and I'm not even saying the Russians did, I just don't think it means jack sh*t.
His electoral vote victory was pretty healthy. Move on and see what the next few years bring versus damaging your health by constantly complaining. If I complained about Obama over 8 years as you guys have over Trump in 1, I'd be dead with Ulcers and a stroke to boot!
No long response from me to a Trump apologist.
No response because you have no rebuttal to his points.
If you voted for Clinton, you can’t claim country over party. She had too much baggage to claim that.
Sorry, you know it’s the truth.
One hit wonder wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
No long response from me to a Trump apologist.
No response because you have no rebuttal to his points.
If you voted for Clinton, you can’t claim country over party. She had too much baggage to claim that.
Sorry, you know it’s the truth.
Incorrect.
Mirror mirror wrote:
You mean the low-IQ Trump that has been winning . . .
The national debt for 2018 is on target to be 2x that of 2017. Why? Because Trump's Tax Cut for the Rich is IQ45. Rather than Trump's math claiming the debt would increase by $1.5B over 10 years that will increase the debt by that much in just a few years—less revenue + less tax collected from a ~2% economy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-tax-cuts-are-rocketing-us-into-the-debt-ceiling/2018/02/01/c2229f4a-0795-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.htmlhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/01/31/federal-debt-limit-deadline-moved-up-to-mid-march-adding-urgency-to-another-congressional-task/?utm_term=.166f87522b58One hit wonder wrote:
Sorry, you know it’s the truth.
What we know is, you are Hardloper. We hold these truths to be self-evident.
Flagpole wrote:
Libs in Conundrum wrote:
The problem is not entirely that we have crooked politicians as much as it is "you and those like you". Based on your posts you are so easily manipulated into thinking just in terms of our team versus theirs, and "YOU" forget to do in terms of what is right.
I would think you would want to know the truth and you would be appalled by the Democratic congressmen who voted to protect Hillary Clinton when it was beyond obvious that she was lying.
If you really cared about the truth, you would have mentioned that months ago...but you didn't. She got a free pass, many in fact, but because she didn't win, you're fine with her lying (which you HAVE to be smart enough to know). Did it bother you when she lied as a Senator?
People like you and Flagpole are the real racists who voted for their Party, not the right candidate. Only an idiot would actually believe FB advertising influence a Presidential Election in our great Country. I have a FB account and I never saw one ad, not one, and I don't put anything political on my page, zero!!!!
Is that what you meant to say?^^^^
Do you live in OH, Michigan, or PA? Those were the target states, and the bulk of what they did wasn't "ads" but memes that supported Trump and railed on Hillary, and during the campaign in those states, there were tons of them...was incredible how many there were.
The responsibility of proof isn't on those who say those ads and memes caused a change. It is only on IF Trump or his team conspired with Russia to provide them, to target certain areas of the country. You are denying this happened because you didn't see any, but it has already been proven that they did this, and in HUGE numbers.
And, of course political advertising works...no one would do it if it didn't. Such advertising can mobilize one group and keep others at home on election day. That can have a huge effect even if not a single person changed their vote from Hillary to Trump.
Finally, I'm not so concerned that what Trump did actually allowed him to win. I am concerned about the attempt...attempt to conspire with Russia (Trump Jr. did that for sure) to get their help in meddling in our election. I believe there was more than just an attempt...Trump Jr. told the Russians when to release the dirt on Hillary "If what you say is true, I love it, especially later in the summer." THAT is collusion right there...whether Mueller will decide that rises to the level of conspiracy or not, we shall see.
Hillary is not the President. Nothing she did anywhere near approaches what Trump is accused of doing (and likely has done).
What memes did the ruskies run in OH, PA, MI, etc. that hit Trump elected?
BTW, I thought it was Comey’s actions that got him elected. That’s not the case?
Natasha wrote:
What memes did the ruskies run in OH, PA, MI, etc. that hit Trump elected?
BTW, I thought it was Comey’s actions that got him elected. That’s not the case?
Natasha. You forget we bus people to polls. Remember we know they vote for Trump or not let on bus. And we fix machine to change clinton vote to trump vote. ... It work good, yes?